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The point your missing is that hitting level 100 in poe isnt a requirement for anything. Its purposely setup so that you dont automaticly hit max level. Most build guides are set for lvl 90ish and its not balanced around you being lvl 100
This is such a weak argument that you keep repeating, it's not enough to justify wasting people's time in a videogame.
It's as weak an argument as saying playing bloodmage isn't a requirement for anything, so it's fine to be a bricked ascendancy.
The main goal of this game is gaining as much power as u can while having agency in the process. I haven't seen one argument made for XP penalty that doesn't impair this.
Sorry but if you think those two things are even remotely relatable then youve just proven that its pointless trying to explain anything to you.
Its like i said. No point trying to discuss with people like this. Nothing sinks in. Its just fantasies and "omg its 100% bad and no reason its in the game" completetly oblivious and uncapable of seeing any point of view that is different from their own
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Posted byNyon#6673on Dec 25, 2024, 2:57:14 PM
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To be honest i could not care less about lvl 100 most builds are pretty maxed out around lvl 90 ish anyway, to me xp penalty is ok and part of many arpg's including the goat D2 which kind of set the standard of arpg's. Dont understand why people are so obsessed with lvl 100 if they know they dont have the time or dont want to put in the hours, this is not D4 and i dont think lvl 100 should be achievable with 50 hours of playtime just think how long lvl 99 in D2 took and some people still claim this was the greatest arpg ever made. What i dont like is the one portal pseudo hardcore policy, this just seems like a bad joke and made to annoy people rather than be a challenge. I just wish we could use our portals like poe 1 and actually have a chance to learn the boss mechanics instead of loosing the map and never get to learn the boss like u could in campaign
Yep exactly, this weird forced pseudo-hardcore is really cringe. I don't know what designer thought to himself "players choose to play Softcore, let me force them to play in Hardcore haha". It's insanity.
Yes losing 10% exp is being forced to play hardcore. Another brilliant take.
All you do is reply to people with some made up overdramatic false argument that isnt relatable or relative to anything that has to do with the subject
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Posted byNyon#6673on Dec 25, 2024, 3:02:22 PM
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why do you think that things that impair your goal are bad for the game? with that rationale they should remove all death penalties all together. including the notification screen and death animation itself
The things u state do not impair the goal itself.
sure they do, the slow me down, just like xp penalty
Nah, they don't. Since you are an expert at rationale, ill let u figure out the answer to your question yourself.
Merry christmas, fellow brother logic!
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Posted byblombaklats#5298on Dec 25, 2024, 3:04:26 PM
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I am not understanding the general concept of punishing player by taking away progress from them for a mistake/learning. Why not just make the encounter difficult but not punish player for failing?
Regardless of whatever history this concept has, it does not make the game better or more fun.
This is just a video game, make it difficult and challenging but don't punish the player for playing, which includes trying and dying. Let players explore, learn and have fun without consequence of losing their progress.
I am speaking more in general, the EXP Loss is related though.
TL:DR - Don't waste players time with mechanics providing no value. It's not rocket science.
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Posted byDarkNoob216#0558on Dec 25, 2024, 3:27:26 PM
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Adding more thoughts to it - boss encounters, to learn the boss you have to try it, to experience mechanics, unless you are playing broken meta build loaded with currency you are probable to die.
Not only will you get punished by losing 10% exp, you also lose the key to the boss, often that costs from 3 to 8 divines each. That is a lot of farm for a regular player.
By the time people get to those bosses they no longer need to learn mechanics because they one shot, this trivializes game content a lot, and makes bosses into worthless punching bags.
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Adding more thoughts to it - boss encounters, to learn the boss you have to try it, to experience mechanics, unless you are playing broken meta build loaded with currency you are probable to die.
Not only will you get punished by losing 10% exp, you also lose the key to the boss, often that costs from 3 to 8 divines each. That is a lot of farm for a regular player.
By the time people get to those bosses they no longer need to learn mechanics because they one shot, this trivializes game content a lot, and makes bosses into worthless punching bags.
I think thats a fair argument. Especially on bosses like breachstone where you have to farm for a long time to get the oppertunity to fight the boss then having only 1 portal can feel overly harsh.
Seen a few other people suggesting that the first time your fighting the major bosses the key can be like a "tutorial" item like with your first trial so its repeatable. I think that could be a good implementation.
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Posted byNyon#6673on Dec 25, 2024, 3:40:24 PM
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I am not understanding the general concept of punishing player by taking away progress from them for a mistake/learning. Why not just make the encounter difficult but not punish player for failing?
Regardless of whatever history this concept has, it does not make the game better or more fun.
This is just a video game, make it difficult and challenging but don't punish the player for playing, which includes trying and dying. Let players explore, learn and have fun without consequence of losing their progress.
I am speaking more in general, the EXP Loss is related though.
TL:DR - Don't waste players time with mechanics providing no value. It's not rocket science.
The problem is that you cant say that it doesnt make the game better or more fun. Because obviously alot of people do think that the mechanic makes the game better and more fun. And to be fair alot of people think like you that its not fun.
But you have to say that you dont find it fun. You cant speak for every1 else in blanket statements. Its not rocket science
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Posted byNyon#6673on Dec 25, 2024, 3:47:19 PM
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Sorry but if you think those two things are even remotely relatable then youve just proven that its pointless trying to explain anything to you.
Its like i said. No point trying to discuss with people like this. Nothing sinks in. Its just fantasies and "omg its 100% bad and no reason its in the game" completetly oblivious and uncapable of seeing any point of view that is different from their own
Ignorance at it's finest. You are one hell of a purebred ostrich. Nice constructive argument we had there! Let me elaborate:
The point your missing is that hitting level 100 in poe isnt a requirement for anything. It's completely irrelevant that it isn't a requirement. It's availability makes it an ingame goal which u are incentivised to obtain. The XP penalty hurts player agency.
Its purposely setup so that you dont automaticly hit max level. U don't know this and therefore can't state this.
Most build guides are set for lvl 90ish and its not balanced around you being lvl 100 Level of build guides is completely irrelevant for this argument. And u don't know, and therefore can't state, what level the intended balance is for.
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Posted byblombaklats#5298on Dec 25, 2024, 4:06:23 PM
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I am not understanding the general concept of punishing player by taking away progress from them for a mistake/learning. Why not just make the encounter difficult but not punish player for failing?
Regardless of whatever history this concept has, it does not make the game better or more fun.
This is just a video game, make it difficult and challenging but don't punish the player for playing, which includes trying and dying. Let players explore, learn and have fun without consequence of losing their progress.
I am speaking more in general, the EXP Loss is related though.
TL:DR - Don't waste players time with mechanics providing no value. It's not rocket science.
The problem is that you cant say that it doesnt make the game better or more fun. Because obviously alot of people do think that the mechanic makes the game better and more fun. And to be fair alot of people think like you that its not fun.
But you have to say that you dont find it fun. You cant speak for every1 else in blanket statements. Its not rocket science
No need to be like that.
Then tell me what makes it so fun and adds so much value?
Let me give you example, if you were solving a jig-saw puzzle and each time your piece did not fit I would take 10% of your solved puzzle. The bigger the puzzle, the bigger the loss.
Would you like that? This is literally what this is.
The whole concept of the XP loss does not add anything to the game. If you think it does, what does it add then? The game will not be different if you get rid of it. It does not make it harder either. It's just there to rub salt in your wound for whatever reason you die.
PS - GGG also promised to remove this. Except they did this only for campaign, where it matters the least.
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Posted byDarkNoob216#0558on Dec 25, 2024, 5:05:44 PM
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I am not understanding the general concept of punishing player by taking away progress from them for a mistake/learning. Why not just make the encounter difficult but not punish player for failing?
Regardless of whatever history this concept has, it does not make the game better or more fun.
This is just a video game, make it difficult and challenging but don't punish the player for playing, which includes trying and dying. Let players explore, learn and have fun without consequence of losing their progress.
I am speaking more in general, the EXP Loss is related though.
TL:DR - Don't waste players time with mechanics providing no value. It's not rocket science.
The problem is that you cant say that it doesnt make the game better or more fun. Because obviously alot of people do think that the mechanic makes the game better and more fun. And to be fair alot of people think like you that its not fun.
But you have to say that you dont find it fun. You cant speak for every1 else in blanket statements. Its not rocket science
No need to be like that.
Then tell me what makes it so fun and adds so much value?
Let me give you example, if you were solving a jig-saw puzzle and each time your piece did not fit I would take 10% of your solved puzzle. The bigger the puzzle, the bigger the loss.
Would you like that? This is literally what this is.
The whole concept of the XP loss does not add anything to the game. If you think it does, what does it add then? The game will not be different if you get rid of it. It does not make it harder either. It's just there to rub salt in your wound for whatever reason you die.
PS - GGG also promised to remove this. Except they did this only for campaign, where it matters the least.
Xp loss is never going to be removed, it has always been part of this game and many other arpg's and its perfectly fine and prevents people from going Zhp glasscannon fastest way to lvl 100. Not exactly casual dad friendly but perfectly fine as it is and makes people think about their build decisions and playstyle and its really not that big of a deal since its pretty ez to reach lvl 90 ish even with the xp penalty and to be honest u dont need more lvls, they are just icing on the cake. So i would say it does add something to the game
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