Hard crashing PC locks up

I was able to play the game on the latest patch for about an hour with the usual workarounds, but also disabling SVM Mode / Virtualization in MSI BIOS. That's one thing I hadn't tried yet.

Maybe that helps, shrug. Probably not.
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I tried everything I could, I deleted the game and will wait until they fix the error. It's a shame that I have to skip getting to know the game while it's new to everyone.
I tried switch to vulkan and i solved the hard crushing problem but after today's windows patch i cant even enter the game. I hope they solve this issue as soon as possible.
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So I used the BES CPU limiter for 10 hours at -5% on the PoE.exe and had zero crashes of any kind and alt tabbing in and out of the game was fluid where as before it was less so, I could have multiple things running in the background, no real performance hit. The problem seems to be the game maxing out the CPU which the CPU then has trouble digging itself out of it and locks up, by using the CPU limiter it completely solves the problem and improves multitasking.


Bro! Thanks, it's working!
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Cainrith#2807 wrote:
This can absolutely brick your PC

Haha this happened again.


It can brick your PC. I don't know why this seems to be a such a hard concept for you to understand. Although, while you have unquoted that portion -which makes you seem a little dishonest or trollish- I do agree that bricking your PC is a low probability event. What is highly probable is that it will cause shortened component lifespan and data corruption. Either of these two is unacceptable for a software.

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Cainrith#2807 wrote:

This is not a Windows 24H2 issue.

Linux systems don't experience this issue. Just switch to terminal and kill the process without the problems. So?

You can't comprehend simple thing, they already stated they are AWARE of the issue and they are working on. Can't you imagine, some problems are VERY hard to catch and fix in modern complex and sofisticated environments. If you really want to help, just collect debug data and send to GGG.


The problem is that by claiming this is a "Windows 24H2" issue they are limiting their cases and excluding Windows that are not "24H2". They could have said "Windows" issue, and I would still nitpick it because that is the wrong way to interpret statistics unless ALL reports show only Windows PCs are having this issue.

I know some problems are VERY hard to catch and fix in modern complex and sophisticated environments, that is why I'm stating that this is not an issue that is observed only on "Windows 24H2". Misdiagnosing the problem will make it harder to solve. And being "aware" that this is "mostly" a "Windows 24H2" problem might be causing them to seek answers in places that do not have them.
I cannot send/reply to direct messages because my in-game character has not finished Act 1.
What to do:
1)Write a short review about the hard crashes in notepad.
2)Copy and paste it to steam reviews, put up a negative review.
3)Copy and paste it to steam discussions, put it up there.
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I've had some good results to prevent crashes by preventing the game from writing to shader cache folders by removing user permissions. It's outlined here:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3621843

YMMV.


I have tried everything and was getting hard crashes 5 times per hour, this is the only thing that worked for me. Limiting access to cache folders after cleaning them out.

Downside sometimes loading takes really long, like a minute, but it does not crash (at least I had no crashes in last 4 hours).
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Cainrith#2807 wrote:
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Cainrith#2807 wrote:
This can absolutely brick your PC

Haha this happened again.


It can brick your PC. I don't know why this seems to be a such a hard concept for you to understand. Although, while you have unquoted that portion -which makes you seem a little dishonest or trollish- I do agree that bricking your PC is a low probability event. What is highly probable is that it will cause shortened component lifespan and data corruption. Either of these two is unacceptable for a software.

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Cainrith#2807 wrote:

This is not a Windows 24H2 issue.

Linux systems don't experience this issue. Just switch to terminal and kill the process without the problems. So?

You can't comprehend simple thing, they already stated they are AWARE of the issue and they are working on. Can't you imagine, some problems are VERY hard to catch and fix in modern complex and sofisticated environments. If you really want to help, just collect debug data and send to GGG.


The problem is that by claiming this is a "Windows 24H2" issue they are limiting their cases and excluding Windows that are not "24H2". They could have said "Windows" issue, and I would still nitpick it because that is the wrong way to interpret statistics unless ALL reports show only Windows PCs are having this issue.

I know some problems are VERY hard to catch and fix in modern complex and sophisticated environments, that is why I'm stating that this is not an issue that is observed only on "Windows 24H2". Misdiagnosing the problem will make it harder to solve. And being "aware" that this is "mostly" a "Windows 24H2" problem might be causing them to seek answers in places that do not have them.


There is probably more chance that your hardware fails because of a power surge from your electrical outlet than from a hard freeze because the CPU goes to 100% on all cores and you have to hold the power button. Holding down the power button cannot harm your pc, it's designed that way. Even plugging out the cable shouldn't although it's probably more risky.
Having your CPU lock up for a few seconds before you reboot won't do anything. It can absolutely sustain that and high temps as well. Now if you leave it in that state for day, that's another story but "people with a brain" wouldn't do that, right?
Modern CPUs and MOBO come with built safeguards that prevent this, so it probably wouldn't even be possible.
If you're scared for no reason, please do and don't play the game, it's that simple, but don't spread misinformation.

And as always, just saying "use your brain" is not a valid way of proving your point. Bring some concrete evidence or remain quite.
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I've had some good results to prevent crashes by preventing the game from writing to shader cache folders by removing user permissions. It's outlined here:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3621843

YMMV.


I have tried everything and was getting hard crashes 5 times per hour, this is the only thing that worked for me. Limiting access to cache folders after cleaning them out.

Downside sometimes loading takes really long, like a minute, but it does not crash (at least I had no crashes in last 4 hours).


I had a boot issue with my SSD this morning after hibernating my PC, and I have no idea whether it's related to the shader cache folder permissions thing. If the game is constantly trying to read and write and is unable to, it could technically cause issues if the game doesn't error handle properly. I didn't think about that last night when I wrote that post. My apologies.

But like you said, it DOES work. It also points to the problem if GGG were to look into that further.

I stopped using the folder permissions trick and disabled SVM Mode/Virtualization in BIOS. That is much safer and actually seems to be working for me now. But I can only test so much. If anyone else can try that and report crash/no crash that would help.
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Last edited by interbeing#5112 on Dec 12, 2024, 10:54:24 AM
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Pyroga#2822 wrote:


There is probably more chance that your hardware fails because of a power surge from your electrical outlet than from a hard freeze because the CPU goes to 100% on all cores and you have to hold the power button. Holding down the power button cannot harm your pc, it's designed that way. Even plugging out the cable shouldn't although it's probably more risky.
Having your CPU lock up for a few seconds before you reboot won't do anything. It can absolutely sustain that and high temps as well. Now if you leave it in that state for day, that's another story but "people with a brain" wouldn't do that, right?
Modern CPUs and MOBO come with built safeguards that prevent this, so it probably wouldn't even be possible.
If you're scared for no reason, please do and don't play the game, it's that simple, but don't spread misinformation.

And as always, just saying "use your brain" is not a valid way of proving your point. Bring some concrete evidence or remain quite.



This dude doesn't have a modicum of technical knowledge. He has posted this 27 times already. Imagine trying this hard to defend this shit. LMAO
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Having your CPU lock up for a few seconds before you reboot won't do anything. It can absolutely sustain that and high temps as well. Now if you leave it in that state for day, that's another story but "people with a brain" wouldn't do that, right?


How do you know exactly what is happening with the cpu et al. and that it is only locking up if the god forsaken system doesn't even respond and show you nothing that is happening? Thats the whole point

Saying that it wont brick your system when the parts in question are system memory (freezing when loading) and CPU is GOD AWFUL take. It is our DOLLAR that is on the line here.

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