AH killed the price fixers, it was a mistake to not add non-stackable items

lol, does this mean vision was wrong and players suffered for 10 years ;)
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hasatt0 wrote:
lol, does this mean vision was wrong and players suffered for 10 years ;)


Yes
Idk i didnt really understand prices on ingame currency market.
I've always checked actual rates on website before selling on ingame currency market because recommended rates seemed off, stuff on website was sometimes double the price from recommended AH prices...
So I've put it into market for double the price (so just like website prices) and that stuff still sold, i feel like ingame currency market is still used by price fixers, robbing you off your stuff for cheap and resell the for much more...

Without website to price-check i wouldn't have noticed and get "scammed" 24/7 by just taking recommended rates.

I got mixed feelings about ingame currency market cause it eventually might the the best div/h by flipping stuff, which i'm not a fan of

Hopefully when this goes core the price rates will be more detailed and accurate
Last edited by Rikku on Aug 27, 2024, 8:16:55 AM
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Rikku wrote:
Idk i didnt really understand prices on ingame currency market.
I've always checked actual rates on website before selling on ingame currency market because recommended rates seemed off, stuff on website was sometimes double the price from recommended AH prices...
So I've put it into market for double the price (so just like website prices) and that stuff still sold, i feel like ingame currency market is still used by price fixers, robbing you off your stuff for cheap and resell the for much more...

Without website to price-check i wouldn't have noticed and get "scammed" 24/7 by just taking recommended rates.

I got mixed feelings about ingame currency market cause it eventually might the the best div/h by flipping stuff, which i'm not a fan of

Hopefully when this goes core the price rates will be more detailed and accurate

Yes, price fixers are perfectly fine, recently I've seen a nice cleanup of ancient orbs market, to be set up 50% higher sell, 1000% buy. I had some fun with one of more limited stuff and earned around 1 mirror shard/h on autotrade while mapping.
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Last edited by Nomancs on Aug 27, 2024, 8:51:07 AM
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DarthSki44 wrote:


I don't care what it's called in practice, name doesnt matter, but if players post an item, or currency, up for sale at a price they set, and other players purchase from that as an order, and both are sent directly to the player, that's a fucking AH.


No, an auction house is where you place an item up for bidding, and people bid on it for a set amount of time.
THAT is what an auction is.
What we have is a trade market. No bidding.
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Gulch wrote:
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DarthSki44 wrote:


I don't care what it's called in practice, name doesnt matter, but if players post an item, or currency, up for sale at a price they set, and other players purchase from that as an order, and both are sent directly to the player, that's a fucking AH.


No, an auction house is where you place an item up for bidding, and people bid on it for a set amount of time.
THAT is what an auction is.
What we have is a trade market. No bidding.


No. That can be an option of an AH has but that doesn't preclude or identify one. It certainly isn't a qualifier, or require some sort of AH certificate, that's absurd.

I have no idea what your past and current gaming & AH experience is, but setting as a "buy now", "24 hours", or "5 day bidding period" is simply not relevant in this context. It's all happening at the same time at the same location, at player discretion.

"Trade Market" or "Currency Exchange" or whatever else it is called, doesn't matter. It's the functionality that matters.

There is little point in arguing semantics however. If it functions like an AH but folks want to call it something else, this doesn't bother me. I'm good.
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Last edited by DarthSki44 on Aug 27, 2024, 6:28:49 PM
The revision of what an AH is seems likes a rather desperate attempt to save face.

"Oh, an interface where you exchange one thing for others in an automated way, thats not an AH. You need an old-timey 1920s announcer and people physically raising hands or its not an AH.
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Its an AH, you were wrong, it didnt destroy the game despite your fearmongering.

I cant imagine how many tens of thousands of hours have been spent in waste and annoyance and how many players quit over the terrible trade system, all because Chris had a bad day on D3.
Last edited by trixxar on Aug 27, 2024, 8:55:44 PM
i think one big issue is the use of the term AH.

what we really want is automated trade.

settlers provide automated trade with gold being the cost.

we use "AH" as its easily understood. if people used "AT" no one knows what it means. and automated trade is a lot of characters to type.
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Johny_Snow wrote:
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hasatt0 wrote:
lol, does this mean vision was wrong and players suffered for 10 years ;)


Yes


i would argue for the first few years, it was a normal practice and did have some nostalgic value as players came from d2. the content available in the game was scarce. there was no "end game".

automated trade would have sped up the leveling/gearing process a huge deal so that players would end up having nothing to do sooner.

now, trading is crucial to progression. back then 100-600k dps was huge. now you need to be doing millions of dps.

POE evolved to require automated trade.

it is progress. i could trade 100-200c to get 1500 fusings. if i farmed normally it would take literal weeks
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DarthSki44 wrote:
name doesnt matter

Sure it matters. Everything has its meaning.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

if players post an item, or currency, up for sale at a price they set, and other players purchase from that as an order, and both are sent directly to the player, that's a fucking AH.

It's called marketplace, exchange or bazaar. AH by the definition doesn't allow you to buy items directly without competition (instantly) with the other buyers for certain period of time. This is the core principe of AH. The seller lists the item and then WAITS for the best price. The best buyer (with the highest price he offered) gets the item. You cannot buy items on spot.

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