6000 hours of Melee Scientific Expert Tells You the Truth- Melee changes ACTUALLY 100% suck

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benzman9001 wrote:

So, -60 at the worst?
200+% MORE on the gem
The pob's look fine now to me

Mana changes seem a bit restrictive, some worse than others - Lifetaping as soon as a flask feels bad

One positive thing I can think to suggest are slightly bumping the early tier mana flask for the first 6 acts or so

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

Idk what you proved. you said it took like 7 points on the tree to get 60 rage

Lmao. That's what you said.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Rage is now more % and with Battle Trance, Veteran's Wrath, plus the rage on hit there you're getting 10 rage each second with 46 max rage at the incredibly staggering and unmanageable cost of 7 points. "Just" 46% more damage, 53% if you get the mastery. 50% inc attack damage and 25% inc attack speed is not even close to 46% more, but i guess math is hard.

This is what i said. Whatever bs you said is that wanted to get to 60 rage. Nowhere have i mentioned 90% AS either, that was what you mentioned out of thin air, buddy.

In fact, 30% more, the new base rage is better than 50% inc dmg and 25% as, and no amount of other 7 points of rage passives could give the now 53% more damage and QoL. If you prefer the attack speed over more %, that had nothing to do with the point i made.

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

My point was nothing more than the fact that you cant get to 90% attack speed without more investment. I didn't have any opinion on anything else. Just because something does more damage doesn't mean its better. If you're slamming you still run the risk of being globaled before you have any buff up(fortify etc.) without the extra attack speed.

you can have 900% more damage but if you get hit from offscreen by projectile mobs while trying to slam you're dead.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

My point was nothing more than the fact that you cant get to 90% attack speed without more investment. I didn't have any opinion on anything else. Just because something does more damage doesn't mean its better. If you're slamming you still run the risk of being globaled before you have any buff up(fortify etc.) without the extra attack speed.

you can have 900% more damage but if you get hit from offscreen by projectile mobs while trying to slam you're dead.

And my point had nothing to do with yours, so congratulations, you could have explained your point a lot better but you chose to be confrontational.

But since we're here, again, 25% inc AS from base rage is far from a monumental loss you're making it to be. If it is for you, well, then it truly is an skill issue.

As for Berserk ascendancy(not the skill gem), with those 7 points, since i alredy path that way and since i am using Berserk ascendancy(not the skill gem) i'm getting to 53 rage, which means i "lose" only 12% inc AS and get more instead of increased damage. If you need to use those 16 points, that's a you problem.

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

This thread is the actual bait, not the changes.

Removing totems is a great change. No micro manage, no conditional/positional damage that 100% isn't equal to 50% of your damage if it keeps getting killed or doesn't have the range to deal the damage, which in most cases it didn't. And now all that damage is actually fully baked into your skill.

Rage is now more % and with Battle Trance, Veteran's Wrath, plus the rage on hit there you're getting 10 rage each second with 46 max rage at the incredibly staggering and unmanageable cost of 7 points. "Just" 46% more damage, 53% if you get the mastery. 50% inc attack damage and 25% inc attack speed is not even close to 46% more, but i guess math is hard.

Plus quality is now a more increase, if i recall correctly.

Its 180% inc attack damage and 90% attack speed on zerker using rite of ruin with no investment on base tree. it takes like 16 points you will want to invest to get back to 90% attack speed. assuming you're not using bears girdle, which has the cost of a belt slot.
Then there are the movement speed losses.

The pobs i had been kicking around is just more damage to not spec into rage on the tree outside of 1 wheel. Then run clusters instead.

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

I think its just better to go cluster so you don't have forced pathing. << this was my whole idea. somehow it just turned into, something completely pointless.

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

I'm here trying to bounce ideas

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sidtherat wrote:

these builds mostly have no mana issues because they have no mana at all - they ditch 1-2 reservations just to solve their mana sustain with Blood Magic keystone ffs :)

to see how much that this 'irrelevant issue' costs you - just add one random aura to your build. this is the MINIMUM price you pay. because the reason people use BM keystone is to solve their mana cost. still think it is a non-issue? GGG buffed melee with one hand, making a big fuss out of it, while silently nerfing with the other. mana cost is a significant nerf - in case of all builds using BM it costs you 1+ reservations.

there are also subtle things like moving passives around out of thread of hope/impossible escape range. at least some of them done precisely to nerf things



lightning strike and molten strike (+frost blades) are busted this league - returning projectiles enchant means straight 100% more damage. it is criminally stupid enchant. thats the reason streamers are going to play them. because of that stupid stupid enchant - it is Nimis but better (no random spread). how shortsighted one has to be to add it into the game as-is? this enchant alone will warp entire league around itself - just like Vengeance Cascade. nobody is going to give a slightest fuck about melee when lightning strike deals several times more damage and is ranged, does not require that piano gameplay and can be played with claws that solve sustain issue AND got +1 base crit out of nowhere

out of all these league starters all but LS and MS/FB will be abandoned day 6 of the week. Ziz's bleed lacerate deals 4m damage with very, very solid gear.. 4 million. its laughable damage and people are excited? like seriously - why?