Reminder: Selectable Character Gender is a "Minimum Bar."

I like being able to choose character gender as it provides some player license in rpg immersion. Hope this isn't too controversial.

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ladish wrote:

I like being able to choose character gender as it provides some player license in rpg immersion. Hope this isn't too controversial.

The only thing controversial thing about this whole thread is saying its "a minimum bar" aka a requirement. Nothing wrong with asking and giving reasons why but saying you HAVE to is where it goes wrong.

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Glorfndel01 wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

This thread is equal parts sad, and infuriating on just the behavior alone. The tech space is bad with bro culture no doubt, but gamers are the worst, truly. This particular community? ...ugh what a change over the years, especially if you have even remotest sense of an opposing opinion to the popular belief. It's really bad.

Anyways GGG gonna GGG. At some point a gaming journalist, or content creator, or whomever, is going to ask about this topic during the PoE2 media blitz. I hope GGG and their marketing team have a good response from a PR standpoint outlined on why they have chosen against player diversity here. Especially given their documented commentary on the subject previously with their desire to address it. Given the opportunity PoE2 has presented, with the character modeling and rigging upgrades, the intentionality of not including a gender option is magnified. Not great excuses left.

Pretty sad to see a good game like this having such a bad community. Hopefully this is the case and they'll get asked about this topic in another media.

It doesn't have a bad community.

I have been around here longer than this current account (prior account - Steam thing) and while I can say it has maybe increased in the # of trolls present it is far from bad. There are many peeps here capable of forming sound, cogent arguments, moreso than most forums I'd wager, but it is the internet where raw emotion rules and any amateur logician knows that kind of emotion is the death of proper argumentation.

Keep an open mind and recognize the BS for what it is

I mean this sounds nice & all, but unfortunately it's not the reality. In point of fact, GGG themselves had all their developers all but abandon interactions with the community due to their mental health from simply reading things that go on, how they are presented, and how they are directed. (on the PoE Reddit as well) - let alone how the community members themselves interact with each other... just yikes.

It's one of the reasons (not the only) why we don't even have a community manager any longer, but rather an innocuous "community team" so that no one feels directly targeted. Again, maybe some of the longer term folks don't even realize the change over time, but right now, in my opinion, it's one of the worst in gaming. PoE is a game that's hard to get into, hard to understand, hard to keep up on, and changes rapidly & drastically. The amount of community based 3rd party tools & discords are unprecedented. I'd argue the community plays a more important role here than in most games because of some of these factors. You combine all that and you get a rather nasty mix.

This is actually one of the things I'm actually looking forward to in PoE2; a somewhat refreshed community, with hopefully a decent portion of folks remaining in PoE1 that would otherwise taint the sequel. I do anticipate some inter-PoE friction if it turns out PoE2 is more casual friendly. I suppose time will tell on that.

Edit: In the interest of fairness, I have heard some good things about some guilds in-game. While I was never part of one, I won't discount that there are probably quite a few anecdotes about how positive that experience is and was.

We had a banger of a community in 2012.

Then again, we also had an entry fee at the door.

Not to simplify, but I don't think the two are unrelated.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

We had a banger of a community in 2012.

Then again, we also had an entry fee at the door.

Not to simplify, but I don't think the two are unrelated.

When I joined in early 2014, it was pretty clear that they would let anyne in without any question.

This community may not be as nice as it was a few years back (due to a bigger player base) but it's a damn sight less toxic than other communities *cough* blizzard games *cough*

People who've been banned from the forums multiple times saying the community is obnoxious seems a little bit holier than thou.

hoho it is what it is.

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ChanBalam wrote:

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

We had a banger of a community in 2012.

Then again, we also had an entry fee at the door.

Not to simplify, but I don't think the two are unrelated.

When I joined in early 2014, it was pretty clear that they would let anyne in without any question.

How goes the famous Marxist quote? I refuse to be a member of any club that would accept me? Heh.

I really enjoyed buying keys for people. Moreso than any supporter pack. Streamers might make oodletonnes of revenue for GGG in symbiotic fashion but for a while there I was happy to make it easier for people to play PoE than it was for those of us who had to beg our way in.

I am sorry you weren't one of them. Would happily take quiet credit for being the one to facilitate the presence of a good egg.

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No one in this thread has been banned afaik. Ironically you can make another account if you are Banned, but not if you are using it to dodge a Probation.

Always found that a bit odd but I suppose it's because almost no one gets Banned from here for how they act here. Bans are based on in-game transgressions. Probations are typically forum-based.

So the only way to actually be "banned" from here is a permanent state of probation. Havent seen one of those since Sexcalibure and good old Arnie BMBI. When basically you get so many probations you are more trouble than you are worth.

I am probably one more Probation away from it going by the progression. And since I plan to use the forum to flog some books soon, i have ZERO intention of blowing it on something as petty as a pissing match in GD with any of y'all. Lol.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

I am probably one more Probation away from it going by the progression. And since I plan to use the forum to flog some books soon, i have ZERO intention of blowing it on something as petty as a pissing match in GD with any of y'all. Lol.

I have had my mishaps in the past and I can tell you from experience that it resets after a while. After how long I cannot tell you, but I'd guess something like half a year without issue