Reminder: Selectable Character Gender is a "Minimum Bar."

This community may not be as nice as it was a few years back (due to a bigger player base) but it's a damn sight less toxic than other communities *cough* blizzard games *cough*

People who've been banned from the forums multiple times saying the community is obnoxious seems a little bit holier than thou.

hoho it is what it is.

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ChanBalam wrote:

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

We had a banger of a community in 2012.

Then again, we also had an entry fee at the door.

Not to simplify, but I don't think the two are unrelated.

When I joined in early 2014, it was pretty clear that they would let anyne in without any question.

How goes the famous Marxist quote? I refuse to be a member of any club that would accept me? Heh.

I really enjoyed buying keys for people. Moreso than any supporter pack. Streamers might make oodletonnes of revenue for GGG in symbiotic fashion but for a while there I was happy to make it easier for people to play PoE than it was for those of us who had to beg our way in.

I am sorry you weren't one of them. Would happily take quiet credit for being the one to facilitate the presence of a good egg.

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No one in this thread has been banned afaik. Ironically you can make another account if you are Banned, but not if you are using it to dodge a Probation.

Always found that a bit odd but I suppose it's because almost no one gets Banned from here for how they act here. Bans are based on in-game transgressions. Probations are typically forum-based.

So the only way to actually be "banned" from here is a permanent state of probation. Havent seen one of those since Sexcalibure and good old Arnie BMBI. When basically you get so many probations you are more trouble than you are worth.

I am probably one more Probation away from it going by the progression. And since I plan to use the forum to flog some books soon, i have ZERO intention of blowing it on something as petty as a pissing match in GD with any of y'all. Lol.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

I am probably one more Probation away from it going by the progression. And since I plan to use the forum to flog some books soon, i have ZERO intention of blowing it on something as petty as a pissing match in GD with any of y'all. Lol.

I have had my mishaps in the past and I can tell you from experience that it resets after a while. After how long I cannot tell you, but I'd guess something like half a year without issue

No-one cares about this except terminally online people.

Here's what gamers actually care about:
1.) Gameplay
2.) Gameplay
3.) Gameplay
4.) Gameplay
5.) Gameplay
6.) Gameplay
7.) Gameplay
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ArtCrusade wrote:

I have had my mishaps in the past and I can tell you from experience that it resets after a while. After how long I cannot tell you, but I'd guess something like half a year without issue

There are at least 2 players that I know of who have earned themselves a permanent Probation. I will not mention names.

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xjjanie wrote:

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ArtCrusade wrote:

I have had my mishaps in the past and I can tell you from experience that it resets after a while. After how long I cannot tell you, but I'd guess something like half a year without issue

There are at least 2 players that I know of who have earned themselves a permanent Probation. I will not mention names.

That's okay, my friend. I totally did.

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We are pretty far off-topic here. Sorry, Numbers-sister.

How about if I bring up another of those 'minimum bars'? Non-story levelling method. If any game needs one of these, it's PoE 1. And if PoE 1 won't get it, you'd better hope and believe PoE 2 will. It could be the most amazingly well-written campaign in the history of, and people will still get over it after a few times through unless it has massive room for deviations a la BG3...and somehow I don't see that happening.

Boy sure would love to be wrong though. An ARPG with that level of narrative flex? Whoo nelly.

But more realistically, GGG would do well to copy pretty much every ARPG since D2 and have some sort of 'story free' means of levelling alts. Okay, Titan Quest didn't have it but Sacred 2 kinda did, WH40KIM totally does, D3 did and does, DIV does, Wolcen does...not sure about GD or LE, to be honest. Either way, I'd bet my left and right if GGG were to make PoE 1 today it'd have a non-campaign locked method of playing alts baked in standard. Left, right and maybe even middle.

Yeah E9 is the last forum-goer that I remember getting a perma-probation. Nobody is getting banned from PoE for basic commentary on the forums.

In fairness if you have been here north of a decade (or even less), and managed to survive the dramatic shift with the CoC implementation, you are very likely in varying degrees of disfavor with GGG moderation; some of us on our last legs in terms of progressive discipline. To be honest, my ambivalence towards the game as of late probably has saved me from this fate. I have no doubt that eventually GGG will do something I really dislike and I will catch it for something relatively minor like "needlessly negative".



Back to being somewhat on topic, "minimum bar" is probably a bridge too far for almost any recommendation or feedback on anything. You are right C, that the gateway for entry on new characters after a campaign has been completed, really holds PoE back. Ironically, this was originally designed to help with retention, but I think players now have shifted from what they were 10, 15 or 20 years back. Actually the D4 Devs commented on this behavior recently. That players don't want uber uniques to take years to find, or never find anymore, like it was in D2. Players simply won't commit the time due to all the entertainment options we have now. Chase items are one thing, but designing items with the intention almost no one finds them, is increasing falling out of favor genre-wide.

Basically creating a barrier now, doesn't make new players grind, it makes them quit or seek alternatives. I do tend to agree. For example, D4's skip campaign option has allowed me to re-roll and play far more than I would have in PoE, or even in D4 if I had to do that each time.

For leveling, GGG has data & tech in this area, with endless ledge and Delve-only events being done previously, so I don't exactly know why they are so stubborn with alternatives. I hope they have something to help with this in PoE2, but I HIGHLY doubt it with all the effort going into the campaign/story.

If GGG truly does want to expand their market reach, then they will have to at least bend somewhat on these accessibility options and barriers for entry. They keep claiming PoE2 will be far easier to get into, without sacrificing much, which I will have to see it to believe it. Is PoB, Craft of Exile, TFT really going to be obsolete? Color me cynical on that stuff.

Good news is that with some of the recent press on PoE2, it's come out that the EA later this year(November?) will be essentially be the full version of the game (with some endgame probably hidden I would think). We should get a pretty good idea if what they are saying, and what we experience, mesh.

NGL, I was like 'wtf does Cats on Crit have to do with this? That was a great April fools!'

...also, did you see that someone called my unique a 'hidden item' in another thread? My god that made my day.

I am perfectly, 100% down with chase items provided the 'chase' is something more concrete than 'kill random shit until it happens'. That's not a chase. That's just rolling fucking dice for an indeterminate amount of time.

Which is also fine. Just don't call it 'chase'. The whole entire complete fucking point of a 'chase' is knowing both what you're chasing and, to some degree, how to chase it. Frankly, 'chasing a dream' is more deterministic than 'chasing' uniques in some games.

But yeah, GGG will really need to rethink player acquisition and retention. Or maybe not. Maybe PoE 2 will just be that good, the kind of 'damn good' I mentioned earlier where any and all flaws are accepted as part of the masterpiece. We'll see soon enough.