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That wasn’t AdRon’s argument at all. He merely pointed out that you have quickly dismissed valid opinions.
You also make a lot of arguments based on speculation. For example, you say that a gender toggle "doesn't make the work any less worthwhile if they had decided to do it". Less worthwhile by what metrics? How would you happen to know the cost and the impact of such a feature? Nobody works at GGG here so nobody can claim to know, period. This isn’t an argument, it’s speculation. You cannot win an argument with speculation. The burden of proof of "any less worthwhile" is on you. The same goes for all these similar arguments about the costs and the positive impact that you fail to substantiate with evidence. You are right when you say others’ opinions are not more valid than yours. And that’s precisely an invitation to agree to disagree :) For the sake of this thread and your future threads, please refrain from inviting negativity in your first post, playing the victim and outright dismissing opinions you don’t agree with. Last edited by Buissonix#4717 on Jun 13, 2024, 6:03:46 PM
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I would care about character looks when the games visual isnt so fked up that i cant hear or see anything.
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" No worries, Exile. And if you ask Support nicely, they might just change the account name. None of my accounts have their original names. As for the dysphoria, I get it. It's a cake and eat it too situation: GGG want the Exile to be self-insert (again: you get to choose the name and have insane flexibility over how the character operates) but are less than interested in providing sufficient options to do so beyond mostly male-targeted fantasy clichés. And that works for such a large majority of the player base that you are, and will be for the foreseeable future, in the minority. From the cold, raw perspective of business, it simply isn't worth it to them to cater to your needs -- the worst case scenario is you never give them another cent. ChanBalam already shared GGG's profits from last year. You would not be missed. I will not be missed. And so on. So while I agree with your argument on certain grounds, I cannot see it going anywhere tangible or actionable. And that's sad. Because they can clearly afford it and it would only improve the game. It's just not good business to invest heftily in something only a small number of your massive playerbase are really going to appreciate. GGG set the bar hilariously low for accessibility with PoE 1 so any and all such features in PoE 2 are gonna seem like quantum leaps. OTOH they got away with setting it that low because they knew their average gamer was either physiotypical or, as with say that old legend NoHandsKen, big into pushing their disability as far as they can. ...But here we are, twelve years later, much older and much less able in some ways. Much less into the piano style play. Eyes a little less attuned to the chaos on-screen. And maybe a little less scathing regarding the notion of accessibility in games. Remember how I said there were other 'sine qua nons' for modern ARPGs (and games in general)? Yeah, accessibility's one of them. Even more than your request, the degree to which GGG go to implement accessibility may be quite controversial in that whole 'MUH POEZ HAZ DUN GON A PANDERIN' way. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between. I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. Last edited by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Jun 13, 2024, 7:40:28 PM
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hoho so nice seeing the community come together like this.
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" It really doesn't matter. Dys an sohm Rohs an kyn Sahl djahs afah Mah morn narr Last edited by Coconutdoggy#1805 on Jun 13, 2024, 11:45:06 PM
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Not all fights worth fighting can be won.
And if you come away stronger, more knowledgeable, with a greater understanding of other people, maybe you didn't really lose. OTOH I'm just here for the hugs and the hand-holding so wtf would I no. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
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This thread is equal parts sad, and infuriating on just the behavior alone. The tech space is bad with bro culture no doubt, but gamers are the worst, truly. This particular community? ...ugh what a change over the years, especially if you have even remotest sense of an opposing opinion to the popular belief. It's really bad. Im glad I checked out a number of pages ago. It's the reason I don't post much anymore. Everything is a damn battle (unless you just write POG in your responses to GGG news), it often gets personal, and in this particular thread, there are even mysgontic and bigotry dog whistles. Highly disappointing. I physically cringed at some of the posts. Anyways GGG gonna GGG. At some point a gaming journalist, or content creator, or whomever, is going to ask about this topic during the PoE2 media blitz. I hope GGG and their marketing team have a good response from a PR standpoint outlined on why they have chosen against player diversity here. Especially given their documented commentary on the subject previously with their desire to address it. Given the opportunity PoE2 has presented, with the character modeling and rigging upgrades, the intentionality of not including a gender option is magnified. Not great excuses left. GGG deserves any flak or ill-will they get. Imo they have exercised poor judgement here for very little, if any, gain. It honestly comes across as petty given the desgin scope and development creep over the years now that PoE2 has been cooking. I mean really, with all the systems and customization and detail nobody at GGG considered that hey maybe a Warlock/Witch option would be good? C'mon.
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on the resource side, Hell Tencent would probably encourage this from a potential future MTX and Skin perspective. Eastern games and devs love this stuff! They want more characters and models options, not less
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It's ok DarthSki we still like having you around.
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-Official Forum Dweller- -I started the hoho movement- -Exploit Early - Exploit Often- -Goblin Troupe mtx was made to troll - -GGG: Heist in hideout?- -GGG: And miss all that MTX? Nonsense!- Last edited by xPiranha#4678 on Jun 14, 2024, 10:30:14 AM
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" Let's not water down the self imposed toxicity either: self-victimizing, emotional extortion, constant use of fallacies and downright bad faith in the "defender" stance. That's not how you conduct any argument, yet when i pointed that out, these points were doubled down even harder, drowning even more the actual valid points made in pointless and needless drama. If this thread is revived at a later date, don't invite toxicity, don't make emotional arguments and don't attack the player base. We might even get a good debate instead of whatever this is. Ruthless should be [Removed by Support].
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