No hardcore events? What?

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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jdp29 wrote:

It's still not a different game. It's the same thing. Also, people in SC learn the same stuff as HC, they don't want to die either. In fact, they have to learn the bosses just as much because SC don't have a massive amount of defense to let them ignore certain things. You can't ignore anything on SC if it is going to kill you, because you won't have the defense to live through it.

A statement born of ignorance in lieu of past metas like CoD-bomber, the prevailance of dedicated boss carries, or stacking as many millions of DPS as you can on a build and play around 6 portals.

The game may be the same, but the rules are different, and no amount of copium can change that

And not all players do that in SC. You are basically lumping everyone into some category of god tier SC build. A lot of players have builds that don't do millions of DPS and in fact, have to pay attention to mechanics. But please, go on and on and disparage the SC players because HC is superior in your eyes.

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jdp29 wrote:

And not all players do that in SC. You are basically lumping everyone into some category of god tier SC build. A lot of players have builds that don't do millions of DPS and in fact, have to pay attention to mechanics. But please, go on and on and disparage the SC players because HC is superior in your eyes.

Weirdly enough the hc folks talks big about sc players with their high damage numbers and stuff, yet you don't see anyone of them on a off meta build. Would be quite amusing to watch them play a non hc meta build in a more relevant fight where they have to actually be skilled to dodge some stuff instead of face tanking it right away cause they do mostly the opposite of what people tend to do in sc.

Kinda funny to see all the self claimed hc "god gamer" trying to bad talk sc and the skill level of sc players while most of them sit on a close to immortal hc meta build and try to flex with their hc progress.

non-meta HC build is here

PS and this one

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jdp29 wrote:

And not all players do that in SC. You are basically lumping everyone into some category of god tier SC build. A lot of players have builds that don't do millions of DPS and in fact, have to pay attention to mechanics. But please, go on and on and disparage the SC players because HC is superior in your eyes.

Yes, just like not everyone fits your stereotype of "hc players think they're better than everyone else", dare I say it's the minority.

I don't care if you're a casual or a sweaty veteran PoE player. If you think that SC and HC are virtually the same I cannot take you seriously. Please remove yourself from the conversation.

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jdp29 wrote:

It's still not a different game. It's the same thing. Also, people in SC learn the same stuff as HC, they don't want to die either. In fact, they have to learn the bosses just as much because SC don't have a massive amount of defense to let them ignore certain things. You can't ignore anything on SC if it is going to kill you, because you won't have the defense to live through it.

As the other dude told - the game is the same, but rules are different.
Sure, SC players don't like to die. But they have 5 portal left. They CAN learn mechanics, on HC you're FORCED to learn mechanics.

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cursorTarget wrote:

non-meta HC build is here

PS and this one

EA is one of the few meta and league start abilities since a couple of leagues lol

and for your link, would be a shame for the player to not be successful with a mb and full decent gear with the character creation, cause if you look at the snapshots the player never had any garbage gear to struggle with. But I suppose playing a zpds is also a way to trivialize the mode if you have enough time to tickle content to death.

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cursorTarget wrote:

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jdp29 wrote:

It's still not a different game. It's the same thing. Also, people in SC learn the same stuff as HC, they don't want to die either. In fact, they have to learn the bosses just as much because SC don't have a massive amount of defense to let them ignore certain things. You can't ignore anything on SC if it is going to kill you, because you won't have the defense to live through it.

As the other dude told - the game is the same, but rules are different.
Sure, SC players don't like to die. But they have 5 portal left. They CAN learn mechanics, on HC you're FORCED to learn mechanics.

There's only one rule that is different, death is permanent. Every other rule is the same. The game doesn't change, one whit, regarding mob density, how crafting works, mob attacks, etc.

If people in HC stack so much defense that mechanics are moot, then you get the same result as SC stacking DPS to render mechanics moot. You don't get to have it both ways. SC people still have to learn mechanics or they will die, unless they farm up tons of currency and buy a god tier build with no other knowledge in the game other than farming currency. Then ya, I guess this very rare player doesn't have to learn mechanics. But everyone else does.

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Pashid wrote:

EA is one of the few meta and league start abilities since a couple of leagues lol

and for your link, would be a shame for the player to not be successful with a mb and full decent gear with the character creation, cause if you look at the snapshots the player never had any garbage gear to struggle with. But I suppose playing a zpds is also a way to trivialize the mode if you have enough time to tickle content to death.

1. EA is meta on Champ. Nobody plays EA on Elementalist for a reason. 21 players in the whole league tried to play and nobody but two actually succeed.



2. Ara's Molten Striker is not zDPS. It's about 30-40M sDPS.

The whole point - if you want play off meta - you can play off meta. You want to play tanky build with decent amount of DPS - you can do that. Sure, 40M is not 1B like SC players want to play, but it is enough to deal with almost any content in the game excepting deep Delve.

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jdp29 wrote:

There's only one rule that is different, death is permanent. Every other rule is the same. The game doesn't change, one whit, regarding mob density, how crafting works, mob attacks, etc.

If people in HC stack so much defense that mechanics are moot, then you get the same result as SC stacking DPS to render mechanics moot. You don't get to have it both ways. SC people still have to learn mechanics or they will die, unless they farm up tons of currency and buy a god tier build with no other knowledge in the game other than farming currency. Then ya, I guess this very rare player doesn't have to learn mechanics. But everyone else does.

It is fascinating that you think you have any pull on the conversation with how limited your experience in Path of Exile is

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cursorTarget wrote:

1. EA is meta on Champ. Nobody plays EA on Elementalist for a reason. 21 players in the whole league tried to play and nobody but two actually succeed.

Doesn't chance the fact that ea itself is still a meta ability and you can easily play it on close to pretty much every ascendancy. Is it going to make fully sense on some? probably not but it would work just fine.
People play a lot of weird stuff on champion just because they want to go full sweat mode with the extra aura effect for grace and det along with the free fortify.

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2. Ara's Molten Striker is not zDPS. It's about 30-40M sDPS.

The whole point - if you want play off meta - you can play off meta. You want to play tanky build with decent amount of DPS - you can do that. Sure, 40M is not 1B like SC players want to play, but it is enough to deal with almost any content in the game excepting deep Delve.

The build you've linked is pretty much zdps. there are better examples out there with the actual 30-40kk dmg. But funny enough most sc builds don't even reach more than 40kk dmg easily just because they also have to invest a lot to get a somewhat decent defensive layer in. Not every skill is blessed with supreme damage with low investment and lots of space for all the defensive layers. Hence you see hc players 95% of the time on the same turbo sweater meta shit. But as said it would be funny to see how a hc player engages a pinnacle or uber boss fight without the ability to face tank most of the stuff or get carried by a meta build. That would actually make the mode challenging and put up some high stakes to the fight.
Playing a meta build in hc is the same as playing a glass cannon to nuke ubers. Not impressive or worth to brag around with.

You see a lot more experimental builds in sc being successful to clear content without giga damage or giga defense with a single portal so that's honestly way more impressive than running content on a close to immortal build tbh. Only a really small amount of the already small hc community gets that done as well, and you can say that these few players are actually hc chads and fully understand how the game works.

But that's a problem of the game ever since ggg stooped to balance the game much, but instead started to add more and more power in both ways defensive and offensive. Hc was in a much better state long ago while you had just a small "requirement" list to ensure your survivability, while today's list is just too large to fulfill for most abilities unless you are actually skilled and can counter the lack of defensive layers in boss fights with skill, or you decide to be happy with a zdps character.