POE 2 speed slowed down. Yay or Nay ?

if i had to choose between taking dps away from fast builds or making the game overall slower to not disadvantage slow builds so much, i would choose the latter.

That's the overall idea, yeah. Despite all the "you can play at whatever speed you feel like and nobody will stop you!" nonsense from Boomer Zoomers, half the game's content is fundamentally designed in such a way as to be either completely inaccessible to 'slow' builds, or punish them for their lack of zoom with nill reward. Incursion, Breach, Abyss, Delirium, Heist, Blight, Legion? Scourge, when it was Scourge and not Beyond? All mechanics that demanded highest possible speed to benefit from.

Incursion, Breach, Abyss, and Delirium are not doable, not accessible at all, unless you meet a minimum bar of Zoom - and remember, Incursion is now Master content, core content you're not supposed to or allowed to skip over. You don't get to tell Alva to piss off and take her garbage low-value Loot Temple elsewhere, you HAVE to do Alva content and that means being able to clear an entire roomful of Vaal critters in less than ten seconds no matter the layout.

This sort of design flies in the face of "anyone can play at their own pace without issue." I generally don't bother doing Delirium mirrors in maps because on most of my builds I cannot clear the entire map before the Delirium fades. Hell, I've actively turned Delirum off before to try and focus on other content despite the fact that Delirium is arguably the most rewarding, most lucrative 'bonus' content in the game. You just can't benefit from that content, at all, unless you're a Boomer Zoomer with 500M Pinnacle DPS that can obliterate an entire map's worth of critters before the fog fades.

A handful of side mechanics that work this way is acceptable. Half the game working this way is not. Not if Boomer Zoomers want people to believe them when they say "you can play at your own pace and nobody cares." Because clearly we cannot, as the game is constantly retuned, balanced, adjusted, and designed from the outset to cater to Boomer Zoomers at the expense of anyone playing at a more natural pace.

Just skip the Alva mate, I promise you will find it liberating. In the time you spent doing it you will find content you want just over the next hill.

I usually do. And if I hadn't inherited a bunch of favor/supply from the pre-Betrayal Master system I wouldn't have access to those hideout decs. It took them years to unhook those from the Master system, and it's still a resource you have to sacrifice.

When I play a league, I typically focus on Ritual, Harvest, Harbinger, and Metamorph in varying scopes/quantities related to how well my build's doing. Metamorph is the most profitable league material non-Zoomers can access, but you have to be able to take the blasted things down and that can be nontrivial with juiced Metamorphs in red-tier maps. Ritual and Harbinger are reliable but low yield (poor Harbinger, its value as content absolutely crashed when Grinding Gear spiked the value of exalts and exalt shards down to handful-of-chromes levels), and you need Harvest if you want to be able to patch your gear.

I don't get access to Cluster jewels, I don't get access to Breach content, I don't get access to alternate quality gems. Yes, I can trade for those things at super inflated rates, but the rewards/yields for non-zoomer content is pretty much automatically less valuable and tradeable than the rewards/yield for Zoomer content. And no, playing SSF and never getting past tier 3 maps because it takes you more time than a league has to assemble gear that caps your resists and gets you over 80k DPS isn't the answer either.

It would be nice if Grinding Gear would create a game where natural-pace players are not so disadvantaged compared to Boomer Zoomers that they may as well not participate in a league. The Religion of Zoom people already have massive advantages in early access to content and significantly higher drop rates; why do they also get sole and exclusive access to most of the game's priority loot types, as well?

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1453R wrote:

I usually do. And if I hadn't inherited a bunch of favor/supply from the pre-Betrayal Master system I wouldn't have access to those hideout decs. It took them years to unhook those from the Master system, and it's still a resource you have to sacrifice.

When I play a league, I typically focus on Ritual, Harvest, Harbinger, and Metamorph in varying scopes/quantities related to how well my build's doing. Metamorph is the most profitable league material non-Zoomers can access, but you have to be able to take the blasted things down and that can be nontrivial with juiced Metamorphs in red-tier maps. Ritual and Harbinger are reliable but low yield (poor Harbinger, its value as content absolutely crashed when Grinding Gear spiked the value of exalts and exalt shards down to handful-of-chromes levels), and you need Harvest if you want to be able to patch your gear.

I don't get access to Cluster jewels, I don't get access to Breach content, I don't get access to alternate quality gems. Yes, I can trade for those things at super inflated rates, but the rewards/yields for non-zoomer content is pretty much automatically less valuable and tradeable than the rewards/yield for Zoomer content. And no, playing SSF and never getting past tier 3 maps because it takes you more time than a league has to assemble gear that caps your resists and gets you over 80k DPS isn't the answer either.

It would be nice if Grinding Gear would create a game where natural-pace players are not so disadvantaged compared to Boomer Zoomers that they may as well not participate in a league. The Religion of Zoom people already have massive advantages in early access to content and significantly higher drop rates; why do they also get sole and exclusive access to most of the game's priority loot types, as well?

Still crying for easy mode instead of just playing an easymode game, dont even mind this guy.

And we have a perfect example of exactly what I mean with Religion of Zoom folks.

"This person doesn't like mindlessly following build guides and spending the entire game flipping items and avoiding content until they can afford to build 500M Pinnacle DPS, therefore they should shut up and play another game."

This is why it'd be super great if Path of Exile 2 fundamentally slowed down and smoothed out the experience. Let people who play at a more natural pace enjoy the game more, and signal that Grinding Gear does not, in fact, exist solely to cater to Religion of Zoom folks.

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1453R wrote:

And we have a perfect example of exactly what I mean with Religion of Zoom folks.

"This person doesn't like mindlessly following build guides and spending the entire game flipping items and avoiding content until they can afford to build 500M Pinnacle DPS, therefore they should shut up and play another game."

This is why it'd be super great if Path of Exile 2 fundamentally slowed down and smoothed out the experience. Let people who play at a more natural pace enjoy the game more, and signal that Grinding Gear does not, in fact, exist solely to cater to Religion of Zoom folks.

Except you're the one who created this fake religion because ad-hominem is all you can do.

Well the zooming meta is definitely a thing. I don't think that is debatable.

I'm not sure it matters much what you call this meta, or those who like it, but pretending they don't exist is obviously disengenous.

Religion of Zoom is interesting admittedly, I don't know if I've heard that before, but it's clearly a meme take on a prolific meta in PoE. No one thought there was an actual religion involved lol.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Well the zooming meta is definitely a thing. I don't think that is debatable.

I'm not sure it matters much what you call this meta, or those who like it, but pretending they don't exist is obviously disengenous.

Religion of Zoom is interesting admittedly, I don't know if I've heard that before, but it's clearly a meme take on a prolific meta in PoE. No one thought there was an actual religion involved lol.

It's an attempt to make an exclusionary group because he doesn't agree with the current state of the game.

What is meta in an arpg? is it the ability to generate currency? again then please refute the argument that botters will simply not run more clients and devalue your chaos orbs all the same while also punishing actually good players at the top end who want a different playstyle.

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valarias wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Well the zooming meta is definitely a thing. I don't think that is debatable.

I'm not sure it matters much what you call this meta, or those who like it, but pretending they don't exist is obviously disengenous.

Religion of Zoom is interesting admittedly, I don't know if I've heard that before, but it's clearly a meme take on a prolific meta in PoE. No one thought there was an actual religion involved lol.

It's an attempt to make an exclusionary group because he doesn't agree with the current state of the game.

What is meta in an arpg? is it the ability to generate currency? again then please refute the argument that botters will simply not run more clients and devalue your chaos orbs all the same while also punishing actually good players at the top end who want a different playstyle.

I’m not sure I understand. He doesn’t have to attempt to make a group of players, they already exist. You might disagree on how to specifically describe or identify them, but they are indeed there.