POE 2 speed slowed down. Yay or Nay ?

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1453R wrote:

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valarias wrote:

What are you even talking about? The point was that zooming gameplay is just one of many ways to play poe, which is what makes it such a great game, the d4 comparison is just the inevitable result of them making the choice to have a game an ocean wide and a puddle deep, beautiful great cinematics, and one singular linear way to play an arpg, the exact same flaw that plagued d3.

To hear Boomer Zoomers play it, any decision from Grinding Gear that has even the slightest impact on Boomer Zoomer gameplay and the ability to clear a 100% Delirious Beyond Scarab'd Sextant'd triple-Influenced 8-mod T16 Pinnacle Guardian map in twenty seconds or less - including defeating the guardian at the end - is a decision that will End Path of Exile Forever. They are all on record as believing that there's exactly two ways to play Path of Exile - their way, or the lolterrible shitter skrublord way. This despite, again, there being perhaps five thousand such Boomer Zoomer turbosweats at the absolute upper maximum. I'd honestly sooner believe there's less than a thousand players who routinely reach such heights of skip-the-whole-game speed.

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valarias wrote:

this argument is wether a game is fun depends on its graphics and streamable content or on its actual gameplay, of which I and I'm sure most PoE players actually enjoy playing the game rather than having the cleanest animations.

Ever play a Devil May Cry game, by chance? I know, not an ARPG, but it is an action game, and generally one of the highest-lauded such games out there. Playing DMC is an absolute blast. A spectacle of intense action, leaping between demonic hellbeasts in a flurry of blade, bullet, and badassery. Watching high-level DMC players work is like watching a magic show - you can't fathom how their fingers can possibly be moving in the ways necessary to produce those elaborate, outlandish, and utterly incredible strings of maneuvers. Watching those players do their thing is a delight because even though you cannot possibly match up to them, you can see what they're doing, follow their actions, and enjoy the display of total mastery they offer.

Now. Imagine that instead of all this, the next DMC game had an option to increase the speed of the game's animations by a factor of twenty. The characters moved so fast that they became completely uncontrollable. You couldn't even see what they were doing, because the "movements" were so fast the game didn't bother triggering even accelerated animations - they just picked a few arbitrary frames of those animations, flashed them in a quarter-second slide show, and then positioned the character at the end of the input string.

Imagine in turn that about twelve people found a way to play at this speed and enjoy it, posting videos about them clearing a DMC level in less than twenty seconds and bragging about their supreme, unbeatable skill at the game.

Imagine in turn once more that the DMC franchise's developers decided to listen solely and exclusively to those twelve people for all future player feedback and input, completely ignoring the millions of other people who play Devil May Cry and can't figure out what in the actual hell the devs are smoking with this insane, unmanageable speed of "play". And those twelve people posting videos of a twenty-second display of utterly chaotic random lights and noise that no human eye can properly track claim this is absolutely perfect and anyonme who can't keep up with their play, their style, their methods, and their meta is an absolute trash-tier garbo loser who should uninstall and let real players have their bandwidth.

That's what Boomer Zoomer PoE players are constantly attempting to do. Build a Path of Exile that no one else can play, no one else can even watch, and which exists solely to sate their need for absolutely maximizing drops per minute.

Can you imagine why maybe the rest of us would like the Boomer Zoomers to give it a goddamn rest already?

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Nothing "plagued D3" or is "plaguing D4". That's a bias opinion, that isn't based on facts. Many millions of people have enjoyed D3 over 10 years, and are currently enjoying D4. This isn't problematic in the least. D4 will not be "dead in 2 years" lol.

It's quite simply a different gaming experience for a different set of players. Neither game should try and deviate to be the other, which should be the overriding point.

I personally don't like the zooming, spam, screen clutter nightmare PoE has become, nor its absurdly high time investment requirements, but you cannot argue with the results. PoE has just done just fine for itself with this meta.

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valarias wrote:

You keep thinking writing out an essay is lending to your credibility or ability to express to people you have a different opinion other than "I want people to slow down because I'm slow"

News flash : It's not.

And for your only point that you actually made "That's what Boomer Zoomer PoE players are constantly attempting to do. Build a Path of Exile that no one else can play, no one else can even watch, and which exists solely to sate their need for absolutely maximizing drops per minute."

Poe has reduced the speed on items consistently league after league, legacy items in standard have much higher move speed than the current meta, so you literally have no point at all.

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valarias wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Nothing "plagued D3" or is "plaguing D4". That's a bias opinion, that isn't based on facts. Many millions of people have enjoyed D3 over 10 years, and are currently enjoying D4. This isn't problematic in the least. D4 will not be "dead in 2 years" lol.

It's quite simply a different gaming experience for a different set of players. Neither game should try and deviate to be the other, which should be the overriding point.

I personally don't like the zooming, spam, screen clutter nightmare PoE has become, nor its absurdly high time investment requirements, but you cannot argue with the results. PoE has just done just fine for itself with this meta.

So go play Diablo then since you enjoy the game so much? You seem to be really new here and dont remember what happened to D3 when poe came out.

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1453R wrote:

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valarias wrote:

You keep thinking writing out an essay is lending to your credibility or ability to express to people you have a different opinion other than "I want people to slow down because I'm slow"

News flash : It's not.

And for your only point that you actually made "That's what Boomer Zoomer PoE players are constantly attempting to do. Build a Path of Exile that no one else can play, no one else can even watch, and which exists solely to sate their need for absolutely maximizing drops per minute."

Poe has reduced the speed on items consistently league after league, legacy items in standard have much higher move speed than the current meta, so you literally have no point at all.

Here, since you can't understand or follow a post longer than a random Tweet:

Boomer Zoomers keep trying to make it impossible to play Path of Exile unless you play as fast as they like to go. They keep trying to shut out everyone who doesn't want to move as ridiculously, unsustainably fast as they do, and force 'slow' players to stop playing PoE. They should stop doing this because it's bad game design and even if they got what they ostensibly wanted, the game would die from lack of support because there's barely any Boomer Zoomers.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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valarias wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Nothing "plagued D3" or is "plaguing D4". That's a bias opinion, that isn't based on facts. Many millions of people have enjoyed D3 over 10 years, and are currently enjoying D4. This isn't problematic in the least. D4 will not be "dead in 2 years" lol.

It's quite simply a different gaming experience for a different set of players. Neither game should try and deviate to be the other, which should be the overriding point.

I personally don't like the zooming, spam, screen clutter nightmare PoE has become, nor its absurdly high time investment requirements, but you cannot argue with the results. PoE has just done just fine for itself with this meta.

So go play Diablo then since you enjoy the game so much? You seem to be really new here and dont remember what happened to D3 when poe came out.

I am playing D4. It’s great. I’m not alone.

I’ve been called a number of things here, but never been accused of being “new”. Maybe that’s because anyone can see I’ve been here since before PoE even came out.

And what happened to D3? Some liked it, some loved it, and some hated it. It went on to a very successful run, which is easy to verify. Not sure where you are going with this.

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valarias wrote:

The best ironic part about your post is I already responded to it.

So you can't even read a tweet.

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1453R wrote:

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valarias wrote:

The best ironic part about your post is I already responded to it.

So you can't even read a tweet.

Your response was "Grinding Gear has reduced movement speed on items so you're wrong." As if a character's actual movement speed modifier had anything to do whateoever with that character's speed. The "1200% movement speed" characters have a basic footspeed of the same ~30-50% as everybody else, but they haven't taken a step since they hit level 12. They invest in alternative movement methods and skills and scale those methods to a speed value that exceeds anything any character can do with legs alone. Shield Charge and Whirling Blades are basically teleports to these folks, and every Boomer Zoomer build guide outright states "of you're clicking to move instead of Shield Charging you're playing this build wrong, you suck, and you should uninstall."

Look, Valarias. We all get it. You like Going Fast, and you think anyone who doesn't like Going Fast should stop playing PoE and go run something else. here's the thing - we ain't gonna. We're going to stay here and keep hoping for a Path of Exile that makes sense to people who aren't Boomer Zoomers who end every league in a hundred-mirror Omegabuild and tell anyone who doesn't get that far that they're not worth the bandwidth they take up and they should all go join a commune in the woods somewhere.

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1453R wrote:

I don't think "everyone should be slow."

I think playing the game at a natural pace, without supermegaultrahyperoveremphasis on fasterfasterfasterFASTERFASTERFASTERGOGOGOGOGOGO should be fucking valid. You should not require 500M Pinnacle DPS and movement abilities so fast they desync you from the server to get through the game - and no, beating A10 Kitava is not "getting through the game."

I think Boomer Zoomers tend to be some of the most toxic, nasty, hateful people in the overall Path of Exile community, spewing bile and doing their utmost to alienate and drive off anyone who ever questions the Religion of Zoom, and I don't like to see it.

I think Path of Exile 2 is as good a chance as Grinding Gear will ever have to pump the brakes some, trim back the worst of the Boomer Zoomer meta, and crank the game back to merely "obnoxiously fast" rather than "I AM SPEED". Which will give them another few years under the tank to incrementally enspeedy the game again until we're right back to Boomer Zoomers complaining that everybody who can't clear an omegajuiced map in under twenty seconds should just uninstall.

That's what I think.