How is this game playable in melee?

So now you need to have to stand still to be melee eh? The bullshit intensifies xD

I didn't bother farming because my sole reason for doing a league start was to see if it's actually that much of an issue. I wasn't interested in league starting to begin with and I am not interested in repeating the same brain dead chain of events every 3 months hence i don't play league.

Just keep making up excuses if it helps you deceive yourself, that will surely help you improve. Besides, can YOU actually do a single one of the things you demand from me as prove here on ANY build?

In PoE, melee are severely punished from mechanics like degen fields, AoEs, boss teleporting around and just general risk of getting in close for dishing out damage.

Guild wars 2 is an interesting case study of how to do melee.

To put it briefly, if you go pure ranged (with the exception of a very few builds like deadeye, which needs to be stationary to do damage) then you'll end up doing 1/3 or 1/4 of dps a melee can do. The dps factor is to balance reward vs risk of melee and ranged. Another factor are the 'boons' or buffs that dramatically increase dps but have a very short range, so everybody needs to be in melee range to benefit from them.

Unfortunately, in PoE, adjusting dps might not fix melee due to how damage is scaled in PoE. For example, imagine a melee skill being buffed by 25% and the next thing you know, there are 5 div builds that are one-sotting ubers (and GGG hates that).

To start fixing melee, there need to be mods like,
-> 'you cannot be affected by life degen field if under the effects of fortification' etc.

-> Or an aura like, target receives X% increased damage based on distance.

-> Intimidataion banner: You gain increased damage on your target if you remain in melee range for X seconds up to X times.

-> consecutive melee hits on the target increase damage taken by X%. Only'melee' skills can benefit.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

So now you need to have to stand still to be melee eh? The bullshit intensifies xD

I didn't bother farming because my sole reason for doing a league start was to see if it's actually that much of an issue. I wasn't interested in league starting to begin with and I am not interested in repeating the same brain dead chain of events every 3 months hence i don't play league.

Just keep making up excuses if it helps you deceive yourself, that will surely help you improve. Besides, can YOU actually do a single one of the things you demand from me as prove here on ANY build?

prove what ? you re the one pretending. post your 6 div frostblade pob for a starter. pob in wich you probably didnt even use any of the broken 2c uniques you posted somewhere on the forum. ALl those messages and you still havent shown any goddam thing.

And what should I do, tell me. [Removed by Support]You cant even play it in league wich 90% of players are doing.

I am making excuses ? lol ? you re the one that is tired after 2 weeks of league. I am sure melee is fine in standard. Just take your voidforge when you encounter the slightest problem.

and did you have chain on your frost blade ?
you re telling me you had 7 million dps and you didnt use chaing in maps ??

highly sus

I'm a mediocre player (reckless too) and I have played only melee since 2014. Axes and swords. I do have a frost blades gal in Standard that is due for an update but I found it played like I was using a gun, fun, but not melee.

I am unwilling to spend time watching videos of major bosses to learn how to win those fights and do try them from time to time only to die. I don't mind. I enjoy standard because I don't have to level, but I usually start a new league with a melee build and get it to 90, but I'm never in a rush. My current guy is level ~60 and using HS and cleave using two axes. I will switch to boneshatter at some point and may move to a big 2H axe.

I know my limits and what I think is fun in the game. There is plenty of content I enjoy at the T16 level with blight, delirium, Heist, Legion, metamorph, etc.

I bought a Blunderbore chest last league so I can build a shrine driven character with the Gull and Atlas tree passive. I will build it in standard.

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exsea wrote:

in this thread

good players/players using meta/very good items/not using "weak" melee skills:

HOHOHO melee broken? nah man its fine

Kek. I never killed any of endgame bosses. And yet according to your words i did.

10 div challenge

ruetoo, captainlance, tripolarbear

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WZ548s9Av2So_lZCIxqNflHP2Hxe6ra7gTWm-Pm4Phk/edit#gid=0

8/8
blade trap sabo
poison bf bb
flamewall elementalist
7/8
exsang pf
winter orb occuy stacking
pyroblast saboteur
flameblast elementalist
6/8
doom cadigans
trickster lightning trap
strombind pathfinder
sst jugg !!

10 div builds.
and there you go, factor 4 with your build. 40 div
maybe it s a you problem and you should improve. lol

first barely melee is a shield skill. is this even melee. you can probably shoot sst from the edge of screen.

5/8
spark aura stacker
tri attribute coc inquisitor blast rain

4/8
champ ancestral warchief again we could argue, can cast totem from safe spots
champ heavy strike. ok first melee.

3/8
wave of conviction
blight
frost bomb
mirror arrow

2/8
forbidden rite
aps ballista

1/8 doesnt count, you can get 1 point for mapping
corpse pact

ok so recap :

22 build
1 no doubt melee at 4/8 heavy strike. wich is 1 point for not dying in maps !! so 3/7.
1 sst and 1 totems. probably you would count them melee lol

you see i can come up with data.

so for me, those crazy smart build maker guys could only come up with 1 melee build in 22.

you could say, I dont have to make it uber viable. fine. but uber viable = very good defenses and decent dps. 1 in 22 !
it proves you can get way more dps and defense with range build than a melee for a quarter of the price of your build.

Now you are literally just rambling nonsense in bad faith. I honestly shouldn't even reply at this point. I never said anything about needing 40 divines, i was talking about 20 and that build can do wave 30 simus as well, how many from that 10 div challenge can do that i wonder? If it's just mapping and ubers and if I had the level of mechanical skill of a streamer doing it with 10 divs would be childs play.

ok bro.

"You can faceroll non uber content for like 5 div but doing ubers requires 20-30 div to have a realistic chance."
you said you need 20-30 divs.
I assumed 30 divs more also assumed playing sanctum you needed a bit more.
whatever 30 divs is still 3 times as much.

ok so you play 2 weeks. you did sanctum ez pz with 6 divs, and couldnt bother to farm how much ? 24 div ? you re telling me you did all this and you didnt have more than 10 div. you could not bother to farm 10-20 divs . okokokok

still waiting for your 6 div pob btw.

edit and simulacrum

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Baharoth15 wrote:

You always say "range" is so smooth

I don't think I've ever said that.

When I criticize melee, it's ALWAYS about progression and gearing, not the potential. I hope you understand that, so you can quit the "uber" and "30 sim" arguments. We all KNOW melee builds can do those.

When I talk about "smooth", it's all about progression and gear acquisition. How dependent on upgrades you are at all times. How encouraged you are to trade. How the build progresses based on the items you pick up from the ground. Simply put; how the build progresses on its own.

You seem so hung up on different "budgets" and "trading", 50c here, 20div there that it almost seems like you are unaware that certain archetypes can blow through red maps without a single bought item.

There's a reason why 'most' melee builds (with one(?) exception) never gets mentioned as "good starters". Because they aren't "smooth". They don't progress themselves, because they are heavily dependent on gear. Sure, you can of course disagree with 90% of the content creating community, but if you need examples, please do some research on that area.

The moment you mention "trading", "standard", "twink gear" or whatever, your arguments fall short when we're talking about leveling/progression. Because if a melee build needs any of that, it's already miles behind certain other archetypes.

T-spoon time: I'm not saying melee is impossible. I'm not even saying melee is worse than other alternatives when you throw money at them. I'm just saying that melee is behind certain gem scaling alternatives during progression/leveling, because their damage scale itself.