How is this game playable in melee?

Right?? Same!!!

Can't help but show off this amazing Megalomaniac made for slayers with Rakiata's <3

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Can't help but show off this amazing Megalomaniac made for slayers with Rakiata's <3

I have to give that a try <3 Those passives are lovely!

Edit: Just checked trade. No luck yet on those specific passives, but I'll get that as soon as it's available <3

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Jgizle wrote:

Here's one example build

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-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG4RxenepT0&ab_channel=FloppGaming

At 13m+ DPS per fireball, and the ability to spawn 150+ fireballs per second, this build can achieve 1.95B DPS pre 3.22 which added spellblade support and many other dps boosting additions

This isn't really cyclone doing the damage though, it's the fireballs. Cyclone is just a tool to trigger them. It would be a stretch to say that this is a cyclone build as cyclone is not a source of damage but it's flat out wrong to say that cyclone is the best skill in the game capable of doing 20 billion DPS and then bringing this up as an example.

That being said, it's likely possible to get that amount of DPS with cyclone. There is a guy with a dual strike build and 42 billion DPS on POE ninja this league. I wonder how a similar setup with cyclone would look like dps wise. Obviously that setup doesn't use weapon scaling though which means it's not "melee" anyway as far as most people here are concerned.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

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Jgizle wrote:

Here's one example build

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-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG4RxenepT0&ab_channel=FloppGaming

At 13m+ DPS per fireball, and the ability to spawn 150+ fireballs per second, this build can achieve 1.95B DPS pre 3.22 which added spellblade support and many other dps boosting additions

This isn't really cyclone doing the damage though, it's the fireballs. Cyclone is just a tool to trigger them. It would be a stretch to say that this is a cyclone build as cyclone is not a source of damage but it's flat out wrong to say that cyclone is the best skill in the game capable of doing 20 billion DPS and then bringing this up as an example.

That being said, it's likely possible to get that amount of DPS with cyclone. There is a guy with a dual strike build and 42 billion DPS on POE ninja this league. I wonder how a similar setup with cyclone would look like dps wise. Obviously that setup doesn't use weapon scaling though which means it's not "melee" anyway as far as most people here are concerned.

For a pure cyclone build it can still achieve high amounts of damage on its on. Most people would think about Shockwave Cyclone as the strongest pure cyclone build. However the best Pure Cyclone build is actually a One With Nothing Hollow Palm Technique Cyclone build which stacks dex to get added physical attack damage.

The earliest concept of this build is below which could probably do several hundred million DPS in the current game state, especially with the addition of tattoos and Volatility.



There have been higher DPS pure cyclone builds in the past, the problem is they are not easy to find. poe.ninja builds doesn't show every player, many of which are hidden via private profiles. Some are gated behind a paypal, via some content creator locking the build behind a purchase, like via patreon. Many are just hidden, and a player just need to share the pob with you in order to find out.

A good runner up is this str stacking chaos damage cyclone build, which could probably get 80-100m dps, enough to kill Sirius in 1 second.



The problem with Cyclone is that it gets only 44-54% of your base damage, and only has 44-54% damage effectiveness. This means you have to invest more into damage to get similar damage to another skill with higher numbers, such as Fireball which has 240% damage effectiveness, or Firestorm which while has similar damage effectiveness of 55%, has a built in 325% more damage multiplier on 1st impacts, which you can infinitely trigger the skill to have infinite 1st impacts.

The reason double strike can get 40B + dps is not only because it has literally double the base damage and damage effectiveness scaling of cyclone but also because it hits twice, and with attack speed scaling simply does more hits in the same time, not to mention cyclone gets a 50% dmg nerf every time you reactivate it.

- As a side note, people saying using cyclone to trigger another skill is not a cyclone build have it all wrong. The build literally wouldn't work as good if you were not using cyclone, which means it is a cyclone build, since the build does not work the same if you remove cyclone. Sure you can use any skill to trigger another skill, but compare that to simply self casting the skill itself, and usually self casting ends up worse. Cyclone is the best skill in the game, not because by itself it does the most damage, because by design it has built in nerfs designed to make that untrue, but because cyclone makes any spell better. The problem with most spells is you have to stop to use them, you can only cast so fast, and the faster you want to cast, the less max achievable damage you will do. Cyclone offers mobility, and the ability to deal damage while moving. There are ways to do similar things sure, with poets pen, or tornado shot, or even weirder things like ward loop, self damage, or cast when stunned. However no other skill in the game, to be used as a trigger for something else, can compete with cyclones 300% base attack speed multiplier, and its built in mobility, which allows you to easily and effectively hit CoC or CwC minimum internal cooldowns with ease and low cost.

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Jgizle wrote:

A good runner up is this str stacking chaos damage cyclone build, which could probably get 80-100m dps, enough to kill Sirius in 1 second.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7MLIoLidsM

You know that you link videos of a guy who use to fast forward his videos/hide map mods and lvl of area ir straight out cut the videos so it looks like he is fighting uber bosses but its the normal variant.

The reason why people call the channel "Fake AF".

Not saying you can reach high dps on anything if you pump enough divines or mirrors but that channel is a super bad reference. The paid content builds are usually full mirror or close to it and the survivability in most cases is bottom level.

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zzang wrote:

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Jgizle wrote:

A good runner up is this str stacking chaos damage cyclone build, which could probably get 80-100m dps, enough to kill Sirius in 1 second.

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7MLIoLidsM

You know that you link videos of a guy who use to fast forward his videos/hide map mods and lvl of area ir straight out cut the videos so it looks like he is fighting uber bosses but its the normal variant.

The reason why people call the channel "Fake AF".

Not saying you can reach high dps on anything if you pump enough divines or mirrors but that channel is a super bad reference. The paid content builds are usually full mirror or close to it and the survivability in most cases is bottom level.

Him and this 1 other guy are pretty bad I know this already. However I have seen the PoB for that build, and its not super crazy (except the mageblood) like say his Cyclone CoC Firestorm build, or many of his super fast Cyclone Raider etc builds. His channel is somewhat skewed as well. To get a build you want you have to also set a value for the cost of the build you are requesting. It just seems people who request a build are more likely to be searching for expensive builds. It doesn't help that some of his builds are made with standard only items however.

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hmcg020 wrote:

Garbage

Here's one example build

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-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG4RxenepT0&ab_channel=FloppGaming

At 13m+ DPS per fireball, and the ability to spawn 150+ fireballs per second, this build can achieve 1.95B DPS pre 3.22 which added spellblade support and many other dps boosting additions

From what I can see you have played a grand total of 1 "melee" build, Blade Flurry, and on average you do not even make it to maps.

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It is easy for most mediocre cyclone builds to achieve 20m or more dps, which is enough to kill any boss in the game in under a minute. More dps just means faster kills, and 800m DPS is enough to instantly kill anything in 2 seconds or less.

The irony of saying cyclone is objectively the best skill, then linking a fireball youtube video lol. What a joke. "pre 3.22" also lol. Where's your build that does 2B cyclone dmg? Please link it!

You're right, not all my new characters are taken through to maps. Didn't realize that was a requirement for forum activity. Pretty sure my current build blows anything you've ever made out of the water though. You'll be happy to know it has cyclone in it uwu.

What I was looking for was for you to prove your statement that cyclone is objectively the best skill in the game and you link a fireball youtube video, and a scammer. Bravo.

My friend plays Boneshatter, he has no issues with anything. Bosses/Mapping/Sanctum you name it.

Edit: Sorry, he do have ONE issue and it's Trauma stacks. Once you get enough damage as melee then you have something else fucking around with you.

Take a look at those off-screen cast builds for example in sanctum, it's a braindead endless farming. Class balance is a joke in this game.

He is the real mothafucka out there doing actual mechanics, not those "streamers" going into sanctum oneshotting everything and are still not much faster than him.


But hey, he is he and them are them.. He -> them. *Clown soundtrack*