[3.15] Pathfinder ranger explosive concoction I NEED HELP

So far I have had good luck with shotgunning like you all said and just stacking crit since every flask hits separately. My flasks right now are health/diamond/sapphire/topaz/ruby. Don't think ruby is important right now until I can get Dying Sun so I might just swap it out for something else at the moment.

Also I think Point Blank is working with it?
I see most people leaning dodge? Should I not try for armor for this build? I was thinking since shield I would lean heavy into maxing out armor instead of evasion. Also since Point blank I feel armor is more useful that evasion. BUT then we got Ward out now too, which makes me want to lean the other way.

I just unlocked the pots (level 32) and trying to decide which way to lean. Currently this is what I'm looking at:

Pathfinder Explosive Concoction Armor build:
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DarkenX wrote:
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TesseratoSol wrote:
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DarkenX wrote:
If it does indeed shotgun, perhaps Point Blank works for those wanting a close-range build, and maybe a Fork or Chain for those wanting long-range?


A mate warned me that chain doesn't work with EC, sadly

Funny enough, I wondered about that. It may have Projectile in its tag, but it seems more like its acting like a Spell instead of an Attack.

Wonder if Fork, Point Blank or even Far Shot works with it...


It's like Spell Cascade that doesn't work with like half of AoE spells and you have to test yourself, which ones do and don't. Sometimes the game is unclear.
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osesek wrote:
It's like Spell Cascade that doesn't work with like half of AoE spells and you have to test yourself, which ones do and don't. Sometimes the game is unclear.


For sure it is.
I wonder if there's any broken mechanic with EC that we haven't found yet. I'm thinking about what they said when they presented the skills to us, they said that these new skills were made based for each ascendancy, and EC is supposed to be a pathfinder skill, so it may have a synergy with the ascedancy.
I'm almost sure that using flask to empower the skill doesn't count as "flask used" as in Master Surgeon, as we dont gain the resistances from the flasks when we use the skill, but haven't tried yet.
It did not appear to be forking when i tried that yesterday.
it do not chain also, i tried.
Chain - doesn't work
Fork - doesn't work
Spell Cascade - doesn't work (since it only affects spells)

By the looks of it, you are 'shooting' projectiles but they get destroyed on impact, so I don't think any of the "conventional" projectile support gems would really help here.
Is aoe meant to be scaling so poorly? I feel like there is 0 difference between 100% inc. aoe and 0% with conc. effect…
overall it feel very lack luster in maps if you going hit build. making feel its intended for ignite spread and as its very limited on the ranger side to get that up, im gonna put this build on ice for now. tried several things.

Single target:
Crit worked nice for longer fights, but felt the damage was lacking a lot.
Did a test with all all 3 utility flasks and had extra ignate and ailment chance and the taming single target felt better. but nothing amazing. also tried march of the legion, with wrath, anger and herald of ice and thunder. and trinty sadly even with flasks and the dmg on cold and lightning failed to trigger enough to sustain full trinity.

Map: just felt so underwhelming tried to scale aoe no big difference and anything exluding dying sun that i could think of. for being a skilled designed for pathfinder i found it subpar to any other build pathfinder can pull off with half the investment needed.

TLDR: for this gem to work well i feel it would need a lot of gem level ignite prolif and conversion to fire. spent 15h testing it out and that's what i have gathered so far. will revisit the skill at a later date as i just love the idea of it but sadly i dont deliver for me as it is now.

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Grimstone wrote:
overall it feel very lack luster in maps if you going hit build. making feel its intended for ignite spread and as its very limited on the ranger side to get that up, im gonna put this build on ice for now. tried several things.

Single target:
Crit worked nice for longer fights, but felt the damage was lacking a lot.
Did a test with all all 3 utility flasks and had extra ignate and ailment chance and the taming single target felt better. but nothing amazing. also tried march of the legion, with wrath, anger and herald of ice and thunder. and trinty sadly even with flasks and the dmg on cold and lightning failed to trigger enough to sustain full trinity.

Map: just felt so underwhelming tried to scale aoe no big difference and anything exluding dying sun that i could think of. for being a skilled designed for pathfinder i found it subpar to any other build pathfinder can pull off with half the investment needed.

TLDR: for this gem to work well i feel it would need a lot of gem level ignite prolif and conversion to fire. spent 15h testing it out and that's what i have gathered so far. will revisit the skill at a later date as i just love the idea of it but sadly i dont deliver for me as it is now.




Good feedback. Thanks for all this testing.

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