[3.15] Pathfinder ranger explosive concoction I NEED HELP

hey guys, any tips in how can i improve my character?

this is my build at the moment:
https://poeplanner.com/b/QPP

i'm going crit using mainly ice damage, but single target damage does not feel great...

i'm thinking maybe i should change to raider, but i don't know if i can sustain the flasks charges...

when i get to a boss that doesn't summon enemies, my attack speed feels terrible, because i can't sustain frenzy charges...
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Has anyone managed to reduce the charges cost to 1 per cast by stacking the "reduced flask charges used" bonuses? Currently I have 67% and it still consumes 2 charges. But that's with counting the local flask mods (suffix+ enkindling orb), I'm not sure do those count.
Last edited by osesek#2510 on Aug 9, 2021, 9:57:44 AM
First off nanicow, the ascendancy should be Nature's Adrenaline, Nature's Boon, and Veteran Bowyer with the choice being between Master Alchemist and Master Surgeon. I went with Master Surgeon because bleeding and corrupting blood with Flask sustain is just nice for my build.

You went for chill and freeze avoidance. I never got the remaining avoidance from gear so forewent that cluster and concept.

You really went for life! That is always nice to see. I would have gone for the Duelist life nodes because that pathing takes you to Art of the Gladiator for a health amount of attack speed, then fury bolts for damage.

Other changes I made were to pick up Longshot, remove Precis Interception to save nodes, added Forces of Nature, removed 1 health node to stay at 111 points, pathed on the north side of Primeval Force (I don't know why, my brain likes the 4% damage over the ailment chance), and picked up FRENZY charges. Generating charges against bosses may be difficult, but Frenzy charges with blood rage is amazing.

.....here is the tree I would use: https://poeplanner.com/b/Qvr

Switch Starkonja's for a Frostferno and house Explosive Concoction in it. Change the links of EC from what you are rocking to EC-Greater Volley-Volley-Inspiration/Elemental Damage with Attacks. Also, purchase a level 21/20 gem. That extra level is pretty dang amazing for damage. If you don't want to Frostferno, then you can use a +2 projectile helm from Jun/Syndicate content.

If possible, purchase or craft an amulet that increases level of all cold/fire/lightning gems.

Drop diamond flask for a Topaz flask. Use Enkindling orb to enchant +x maximum flask charges on the sapphire and new topaz flask.

I have tried the whole Orb of Storms setup. Eh. I switched to Arcanist Brand-Wave of Conviction-Sniper's Mark-Increased Duration. Feels way better.
Last edited by Luckybed#0420 on Aug 13, 2021, 4:11:25 AM
Hi again everyone!

Here is my tree for PoB fork: https://pastebin.com/TFXAntM5

I keep getting to 50% exp level 91 then dying because my brain turns off. 3.7k hp is honestly not a ton. Still theory crafting another take. CaptainLance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlbrEvuLoQo has a cool defensive layer and whatnot that I want to try.

Damage is feeling really nice.

That said, died to Sirus twice! First attempt was super scuff and the second attempt, I just freaked out again. I might go the way of a Kaom's Heart for that fight and move my gems around. Like, no shield charge combo and instead house the Arcanist Brand-Wave of Conviction-Sniper's Mark in the shield.

Still clearing T16. Current maps that I hate are indoor maps. Stupid Hallways. I just want to shield charge in a nice open field and blow everything up!

Most recent takedown was Chimera with Maven helping that dang thing!
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgNtBsD0rgG_vQDSM1Ex2whVGU5n0xQTq
Last edited by Luckybed#0420 on Aug 13, 2021, 5:14:58 AM
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Luckybed wrote:
First off nanicow, the ascendancy should be Nature's Adrenaline, Nature's Boon, and Veteran Bowyer with the choice being between Master Alchemist and Master Surgeon. I went with Master Surgeon because bleeding and corrupting blood with Flask sustain is just nice for my build.

You went for chill and freeze avoidance. I never got the remaining avoidance from gear so forewent that cluster and concept.

You really went for life! That is always nice to see. I would have gone for the Duelist life nodes because that pathing takes you to Art of the Gladiator for a health amount of attack speed, then fury bolts for damage.

Other changes I made were to pick up Longshot, remove Precis Interception to save nodes, added Forces of Nature, removed 1 health node to stay at 111 points, pathed on the north side of Primeval Force (I don't know why, my brain likes the 4% damage over the ailment chance), and picked up FRENZY charges. Generating charges against bosses may be difficult, but Frenzy charges with blood rage is amazing.

.....here is the tree I would use: https://poeplanner.com/b/Qvr

Switch Starkonja's for a Frostferno and house Explosive Concoction in it. Change the links of EC from what you are rocking to EC-Greater Volley-Volley-Inspiration/Elemental Damage with Attacks. Also, purchase a level 21/20 gem. That extra level is pretty dang amazing for damage. If you don't want to Frostferno, then you can use a +2 projectile helm from Jun/Syndicate content.

If possible, purchase or craft an amulet that increases level of all cold/fire/lightning gems.

Drop diamond flask for a Topaz flask. Use Enkindling orb to enchant +x maximum flask charges on the sapphire and new topaz flask.

I have tried the whole Orb of Storms setup. Eh. I switched to Arcanist Brand-Wave of Conviction-Sniper's Mark-Increased Duration. Feels way better.


wow, thank you so much for the tips.

even with 5.4k life i still get one-shotted. a lot.

i'm playing SSF at the moment, but feels like will probably switch to trade league, just so i can get some challenges/bosses done

currently, i feel stuck.. but getting some tips does makes me feel like trying again.. so.. thank you!

------edit--------
i tried a bit, and it does feel a lot better!
removing some life got me to 5k life but my damage feels waaay stronger.

clearing felt a little weird at first, but the single target got a huge boost

i don't have frostferno, but i'll keep an eye for the prophecy.

since i'm not using orb of storms anymore, i could drop the shitty glove that i had (just for the blue sockets), and started using a gripped glove that i had stashed for a while

https://poeplanner.com/b/QwF
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Last edited by nanicow#6779 on Aug 15, 2021, 2:27:49 PM
Why is Veteran Bowyer useful for that build?

We do no physical damage so the 15% of phys to element doesn't work, leaving us with a 10% penetration which is obviously good, but is it actually better than having both Master Alchemist and Master Surgeon?

20% chance to apply each ailment seems rather good to me, while under flask effect I reach 40% chance to apply any effect and I'm not even including the +25% chance to apply effect from flask which would bring me up to 65%
Considering the ruby flask 52% more ignite damage, half my hits would hit for ignite and that ignite would be 52% stronger.

Like, is 10% elemental penetration that much stronger? Because there's obviously the additional benefit of removing the 3 ailment when using a pot...

Anyway that's something I've been wondering for a while now
Last edited by Cmagik#1657 on Aug 17, 2021, 4:50:05 AM
Not using Veteran Bowyer is about 50k dps per projectile lose, roughly 350k damage if all 7 projectiles were to hit. Also, I run Skitterbots so the flask sustain is super nice.

Since I am Secrets of Suffering, I cannot apply ailments except via critical strikes. Going Spectrum jewels and foregoing crit is worth considering if going that route.

Also, don't go ignite with this build. Like, just go Fireball Ignite. Clear better, less aiming, more quality of life, etc.
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nanicow wrote:
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Luckybed wrote:
First off nanicow, the ascendancy should be Nature's Adrenaline, Nature's Boon, and Veteran Bowyer with the choice being between Master Alchemist and Master Surgeon. I went with Master Surgeon because bleeding and corrupting blood with Flask sustain is just nice for my build.

You went for chill and freeze avoidance. I never got the remaining avoidance from gear so forewent that cluster and concept.

You really went for life! That is always nice to see. I would have gone for the Duelist life nodes because that pathing takes you to Art of the Gladiator for a health amount of attack speed, then fury bolts for damage.

Other changes I made were to pick up Longshot, remove Precis Interception to save nodes, added Forces of Nature, removed 1 health node to stay at 111 points, pathed on the north side of Primeval Force (I don't know why, my brain likes the 4% damage over the ailment chance), and picked up FRENZY charges. Generating charges against bosses may be difficult, but Frenzy charges with blood rage is amazing.

.....here is the tree I would use: https://poeplanner.com/b/Qvr

Switch Starkonja's for a Frostferno and house Explosive Concoction in it. Change the links of EC from what you are rocking to EC-Greater Volley-Volley-Inspiration/Elemental Damage with Attacks. Also, purchase a level 21/20 gem. That extra level is pretty dang amazing for damage. If you don't want to Frostferno, then you can use a +2 projectile helm from Jun/Syndicate content.

If possible, purchase or craft an amulet that increases level of all cold/fire/lightning gems.

Drop diamond flask for a Topaz flask. Use Enkindling orb to enchant +x maximum flask charges on the sapphire and new topaz flask.

I have tried the whole Orb of Storms setup. Eh. I switched to Arcanist Brand-Wave of Conviction-Sniper's Mark-Increased Duration. Feels way better.


wow, thank you so much for the tips.

even with 5.4k life i still get one-shotted. a lot.

i'm playing SSF at the moment, but feels like will probably switch to trade league, just so i can get some challenges/bosses done

currently, i feel stuck.. but getting some tips does makes me feel like trying again.. so.. thank you!

------edit--------
i tried a bit, and it does feel a lot better!
removing some life got me to 5k life but my damage feels waaay stronger.

clearing felt a little weird at first, but the single target got a huge boost

i don't have frostferno, but i'll keep an eye for the prophecy.

since i'm not using orb of storms anymore, i could drop the shitty glove that i had (just for the blue sockets), and started using a gripped glove that i had stashed for a while

https://poeplanner.com/b/QwF


Dang, I cannot see your items. I am happy that the build is feeling infinitely more enjoyable. I really do want to give SSF a go.....just got to take down The Feared.
I went for a rather unusual approach which I think has some potential but I've lost motivation to take it further.

The idea of the build is to use Crown of Eyes + Mark of the Shaper + Elder ring as well as Doedre's Tenure to get a ton of spell damage to apply to attacks. I went for this as it seems to me we can get much higher increased attack damage than via other sources. I also went with Dying Sun flask for the extra projectiles (shotgun) and initially even tried this on Deadeye for another 2 proj (~500k extra DPS) but switched to Raider for better defenses.

This is the PoB of my current character at level 86: https://pastebin.com/X1RCTs99
The Cruelty link is just a stand-in for not managing to get Trinity working.

And this was my endgame vision (probably some mirror tier items there, I'm terrible at pricing):
https://pastebin.com/2MTjdvqw

Leveling has been a breeze. Melted through the act bosses. I now got to T12's and although I occasionally die, most mobs die in 1-2 hits so it feels quite fast and satisfying.

I'm gonna transition this to an Elemental Hit build now but thought I'd leave this here in case any of you don't find this utterly stupid (it might be) and would like to try it, and/or have ideas for how I could improve it and give it another go sometime.
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Luckybed wrote:

Dang, I cannot see your items. I am happy that the build is feeling infinitely more enjoyable. I really do want to give SSF a go.....just got to take down The Feared.


Here are my current items

Spoiler


still getting one-shotted by random enemies that are off-screen
but at least i'm doing more damage

i managed to drop the helmet:

now i just need the prophecy..

need to drop some better rare equipment aswell...

---edit
i was really frustated with being one shoted by offscreen enemies, but taking a quick look to reddit/forums i can see that i'm not the only one

good to know that defensive stuff doesn't matter that much...
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Last edited by nanicow#6779 on Aug 24, 2021, 10:11:46 AM

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