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Is GGG just pretending people are happy about this?
I accept that Harvest needs to change, but announcing "Harvest is being burnt to the ground" with out an accompanying "and here is how we are going to improve all the things that made you need Harvest" is pretty poor.
I really hope they just miscalculated badly, and thought they could just hold off until the 3.14 tease before telling us ...
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Posted byGumlass#3609on Mar 16, 2021, 9:00:27 AM
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We can't afford to gamble with what little currency we have.
If you're so dead set on making nice gear hard to acquire, then please add an in-game auction house that would allow sales of items while offline. This is why casual players have little to no money. They can't stay online long enough to wait for sales. With little to no money they can't afford to craft gear, nor can they afford to buy nice gear.
Adding an in game auction house would be exactly in line with tennants outlined in this post. It would lower the use of third party tools, and it would combat scamming(Price fixing, price changing on PMs, etc). It would also save player's time(all the waiting around to see if you'll get a reply, and not getting one, sometimes over 5 times in a row) and allow casual players to make more money, allowing them to actually afford this 'crafting' or buying gear they need.
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Yes. This. Time online is a multiplier on currency from items you find.
1) You must be online to find it
2) You must be online to sell it.
It's terrible watching Youtube videos saying "you'll make this much per hour" and KNOWING you can farm the same things, and get < half the returns ... if you play < 8 hours per day, or live in a quiet timezone like Australia.
No only that, but on launch weekend (i.e. the only time I can set aside to play 16 hours in a day), the last 3 leagues have had such unstable clients that it's hard to complete anything meaningful.
I had client crashes for the first 3 weeks of ritual, multiple times per hour. It ruined an otherwise good league.
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Posted byGumlass#3609on Mar 16, 2021, 9:04:51 AM
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I just love how they hire them to "POG" in the first few posts :D
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Posted byphatschtuff#5157on Mar 16, 2021, 9:33:33 AM
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It is, but consider their position. They have just succeeded in pissing off almost the entire player base. There has never been more outrage at a decision in the history of the game. They are at a crossroads now. If they act like blizzard and roll over for the player base they will keep people, but at a cost to the core functionality of the game. People can cite loyalty all they want, but everyone knows the truth....when it is no longer fun, people quit. The short term gain (appeasing the player base) will destroy long term profits when people craft out the best stuff and reach the best "end game" one can hope for. Then those people will turn around and RMT the stuff (we know this is true) to other players who will then feel a sense of completion and quit as well repeating the cycle.
Right now they are desperately trying to figure out how to appease the players without seeming weak, yet without screwing over the base functionality of the game. They have to plan their next move VERY carefully because they won't get another. I saw this recently in an Everquest Emulator server (rise of zek 2.0). The player base whined about something, so the GM's created a massive change to the game system in favor of them. Those that didn't want the change threw their hands up in degust and said "screw you we quit" and they did. Then trying to repent of their decision they changed it back. The people that left didn't come back and the players they had originally supported got pissed said "screw you" and left as well. The game is now officially dead.
If GGG's next announcement fails soothe over the player base enough, or does it too much they'll deal a massive blow to player base, the same way blizzard did with Diablo 3 (I came to PoE because I heard from friends that blizzard backstabbed the economy by yanking and nerfing valued items on the AH, rather unforgivable). GGG will respond, right now that response probably has their highest priority. One word out of place will have nasty consequences. Just give them time and let them reach a decision.
This.
It's a manifesto, which is supposed to encourage player feedback so that out-of-touch decisions are prevented from becoming reality. They communicated, we responded. Now give it time and give yourselves a moment to understand their position before they respond so that you can look at their response objectively instead of being pre-outraged.
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Posted byIncarcerated#2029on Mar 16, 2021, 9:48:20 AM
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The lack of response from GGG I'm concerned by.
They do respond. But in other, uglier ways. They just locked the account of Path of Math, one of the streamers that made a very well structured video about how these changes will impact the players. It was against GGG's decision to nerf harvest to the ground. And the video was well articulated, without any hate spam or "OMG GGG is bad etc etc etc." And people were on board with the points he addressed...
The "reason" for locking the account? A fake screenshot from a discord server. No connection at all to the well reasoned arguments he brought against these nerfs... none at all...
See, this is where the radio silence coming from GGG, followed by these kind of actions only tarnish their image even more in my eyes. And I sure am not the only one...
It's been 5-6 days since the manifesto. Still couldn't get myself to even log in back to the game to finish that 36th challenge...
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Posted byAm3nti#4097on Mar 16, 2021, 9:51:35 AM
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The entire community is in turmoil. Whether it's the players or the content creators. I think it's significant that GGG hasn't even spoken up in the last six days after this post. There hasn't been such unrest in a long time and I would really be interested to see how they react to it. Do they ignore the condition of their players, or do they respond to it?! Who knows. All in all, a very weak performance in terms of implementation and communication.
They will never respond, because they don't need to. And they never do. It was an announcement, not a discussion opener. They made up their mind and told us how things will be. We can't do s**t about it. Which is really sad to see. They know people will buy MTX anyway and enough people will play next league regardless of what they do, tbh even if they added shop XP boosts, purchasable non-cosmetics and currency, it would still change nothing, people would complain, it would cause an uproar, but in the end enough people will still play so they would not care.
Sad but true, with this or things in general
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Posted byfancyfootwork#0420on Mar 16, 2021, 10:10:19 AM
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The only times they respond is when Bex shows herself in "soft" reddit threads about minor bug that they can easily fix, and everyone be like "wow Bex! <3 amazing PR from GGG!"
And right before league launch to crete hype and sell more MTX. But that's just her job, nothing against.
Did you ever see someone commentating threads like performance issues ones? lol
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Posted byPheu#6096on Mar 16, 2021, 10:26:50 AM
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I really don't get it, GGG, You really got back on the right track with Ritual/Maven, I had so much fun with this league, probably the only league I spent more than a month playing, having fun with builds, trying some crafts, doing stuff that used to be only done by people who play 24/7.
Now you're shooting at your feet again, why should you limit the game difficulty by cutting the only thing that made crafting somewhat enjoyable and obtainable by every player ?
The usual lack of response after these "manifestos" are a no surprise for me also, I guess you just wait for people to forget and move on.
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Posted byMukee#4676on Mar 16, 2021, 10:33:10 AM
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I really don't get it, GGG, You really got back on the right track with Ritual/Maven, I had so much fun with this league, probably the only league I spent more than a month playing, having fun with builds, trying some crafts, doing stuff that used to be only done by people who play 24/7.
Now you're shooting at your feet again, why should you limit the game difficulty by cutting the only thing that made crafting somewhat enjoyable and obtainable by every player ?
The usual lack of response after these "manifestos" are a no surprise for me also, I guess you just wait for people to forget and move on.
No response because a voice of average players is not loud enough to be heard by the PoE God Chris. He can hear only top players voice - the streamers voice. He can hear that they are currently not happy that all players get opportunity to obtain a decent gear without 10 hours daily farming. He has to fix it, prevent changes, prevent development. Everything, to keep them happy.
This is not true that targeted T1 crafts in Harvest are easy and quick!!! There still are required quite good knowledge of game mechanics and time of active play. Lets stop watching streamers. They will beg Chris to revert those changes because streamers without public will be bankrupted, no matter how hard they will farm the game. Let them close their eyes and spank their items with exalts to achieve satisfaction... Alone. ;)
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Posted byMark__75#7141on Mar 16, 2021, 10:51:49 AM
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I don't watch streamers anyhow. I didn't spend 500 bucks on an xbox, another 100 or so on stash tabs, 700 on a tv, 30 per month on xbox gold/gamepass, and 100 per month on the internet to watch someone else play my games. I could have done all that for free on my phone. I paid the price of admission to play, dammit.
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Posted byHetchman#8967on Mar 16, 2021, 11:04:13 AM
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