Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

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pipi101 wrote:

i can bet there is no builds under 20 ex that can do sirius after harvest is deleted

Yeah cuz all the uniques and cluster jewels will shot up in price since they cant be crafted with harvest. OH WAIT jewels still can , and uniques just drop.

Its not GGG's fault that you think the itemitazition of your character is the only source of power that you have

I was wondering my next build, time to wonder my next game. The only positive thing about this is that GGG is clear about their delusional views of a out of date format.

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Cosmonaut111 wrote:

1 hour of my lifetime wasted reading this whinethread. Its like people dont even know that items are not the only thing making a character powerful.

There is the skilltree , the ascedancies , and cluster jewels. Cluster jewel crafting with harvest is not nerfed in any way ( except maybe less rerolls avaiable , but we have to see which ratio ggg is gonna use ).


Maybe GGG will throw some buffs to ascedancies again , or some skills.

There are currently a SHITTON of builds which work in the 5ex range , most of them just need a few cluster jewels / uniques to setup ( not even any of the so great rare influenced crafted items ) and they can do ALL content.

I crafted SEVERAL cluster jewels this league with harvest , some of them sold for over 20ex. All i needed was rerolls + keep prefix reroll suffix ( or keep suffix rerolls prefix depends on the jewel. ) Guess what? You can still do that! Craft some dope jewels sell em and buy your crafted rares even when they are 2x as expensive.

This Thread is basicly "GGG TOOK AWAY MY ABILITY TO DO SIRIUS A9 WITH MY SHITTY SPECTRAL SHIELD THROW BUILD IN UNDER A SECOND!" in a nutshell.

I'd love you to do a ironman A9 Sirus <3. Tell me when you've done it. Just gonna be never haha.

Anyway, your post explain another part of the problem that PoE is. You need to play the market to enjoy the game because PoE in itself is not rewarding toward the player that want to play the game and not play the market.

PoE is a job at a market simulator and casino. It's no game anymore rofl.

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Kairuto2020 wrote:

Just out of curiousity, what type of mechanic does GGG needs to release next month such that you want to ignore Harvest ( Harvest being in current form unchanged ) and focus solely on the new mechanic ie you only spend 5-10% of your time on Harvest and that the new mechanic is much better for your time?

If there isn't any possibility anything can be better than Harvest ( save for an upgraded Harvest ), then we know Harvest is broken.

Literally any mechanic they introduce that allows you to craft on a base and reasonably get 3/4 decent mods for under 50ex. Which is something that doesn't exist anywhere in the current system. And something even with pre-nerfed-harvest still costs about 20ex.

The fact that most builds that are viable at high level play are those that can get away with playing with less necessary affixes is another whole discussion that should speak to how certain classes/ascendancies/skillgems are out of balance with one another. And how frustrating the experience can be that requires some nerfing.

If we really should nerf something that completely ruins the economy, lets talk about HH and Auspicious, Valdo, Harb farming. And guilds that will beast farm and abuse beast splitting to mass produce bases.

I started playing on legion league basically, coming and going, doing a few leagues as streak some times, and in all my hours played, and game change follow up with new leagues, this is the most absurd change and even more absurd than the modification itself is the justification in the manifesto
It is like Chris or whoever wrote this does not play the game since beta... how the f gets excited for chaos crafting and ex crafting unless you play 25 hours a day?

"Action speaks louder than words."

Well, inaction speaks volumes, too.

I've seen a few responses in this thread, and on the ingame chat along the lines of "Gitgud! all content is doable with basic game knowledge and crap rares!" "any build can do ALL content, you just have to be good at the game." "you don't need high end gear to access endgame content."

Alright, bluff called. Play a non-meta build. Lets say....Flame wall. Never seen a single peep in chat asking for flame wall gear. Play flame wall on HC SSF as a Scion. No crafting allowed, no uniques allowed. Put your money where your mouth is and show me that you can do all endgame content based on your individual skill by only using dropped rares. I look forward to the youtube vids of you tanking the maven using only non crafted rares.

I played the harvest league, and although planting the gardens was a bit intimidating, I enjoyed the crap out of being able to re-roll jewels, maps, etc. almost infinitely. Like playing poker with house money, there's really no risk. That version of harvest obviously had to go. And it did. When they announced that harvest wasn't going core, every single one of my friends who played path quit. I understood the decision, and the necessity of it. They were too casual to want to play without it. So now I fly solo.

Despite having the luxury of unlimited dev time, because none of us really expected harvest to EVER come back, GGG decided to rush it out anyways in a half assed form. The crowds rejoiced and life was good again. Was it still too powerful? Eh, probably. Hard to tell when I only saw 3 groves the entire time I've played this league. They tell me it was powerful, so I'll believe them. But at 1-5 ex per high end craft (according to ingame chat), I don't think it's powerful enough for this type of nerf. I've got 8 ex right now. I've got probably another 3-4 ex worth of gear. (maybe) I doubt I'd be able to make a single mirror worthy item from scratch, even with harvest in it's current state. When I play, I PLAY. 3-15 hours per day. Depending on what I have going on. I'm not all that serious about it, but I enjoy doing it. I've gotten to Tier 15 maps, highest ever. Learning more about the proper way to set up a character. My non guide built character made it to 83 and doing tier 5-10 maps. She can't quite survive past that. The guy I sort of followed a guide on is doing pretty decent.

What I'm getting at, is even with playing a lot of hours pretty casually, I can't afford even a single "perfect" item. I see them going for 50-100 ex each. And I play a lot more than a good share of your player base does. If I wanted to make POE a job, I could probably be in that 1-5% Tier that Chris was talking about when he said something about slamming exalts. But If my puppy starts whining, I put down the controller and deal with him. Weekends? I work, so my xbox doesn't get turned on. 3 days a week my wife and I watch tv before she leaves for work. I've got life going on, and I just can't sink the kind of effort into POE that it probably deserves. And tell me why that should exclude me from ever being able to craft a single item to be proud of, or play a build all the way to the end that didn't come from a guide? Because you basically said as much with your "manifesto." (Not a great word, BTW. summons mental imagery of communists) You don't care about the middle ground of players. Super casuals won't feel the pinch because they don't play enough to ever see harvest. Wealthy won't feel the pinch because they have enough currency to just not care. the rest of us?? we'll feel it, and it will hurt.

... d2js-- I mean, Discord servers still required for Harvest?

LUL

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hammypants wrote:

... d2js-- I mean, Discord servers still required for Harvest?

LUL

Inc ban

to be fair, discord is a dumb place. You need vouch to sell, but you start with zero vouch so that no one buy from you. No one buy from you so no vouch .