Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

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JinLee1337 wrote:

All of you need to understand that nerfing harvest is way better than buffing all the bosses and monsters again, because then your insane double influence items are the base for entering endgame. If gear is more difficult to get the game gets more difficult as a result and that is the whole point, they want to make the game more difficult. There is no accomplishment in beating a boss if most players can do it. A player always pushes as far as the developers let them.

And lastly people have these strange ideas that they need to overgear for endgame content, most of it you can do on a tabula with mechanical skill. I know that because that is often what i have to do in ssf until i get my actual 6-link.

If you can buy op gear, which can clear everything in the game for cheap in trade, then that is bad. If gear is not a limiting factor, then what is the point of getting said gear. The gear hunt becomes a chore if perfect stats are an achievable endgoal, especially if it is locked behind an annoying mechanic like harvest.

Yeah, kinda understand you, but for the f*** sake they added Maven orb? Its gonna be impossible sometimes to use it. And about this 6link stuff, yeah you can do all content WITH META BUILD, what if I want to play something off meta? Well, I am just fucked and MUST play meta. This make the end game very strictable for most build because you simply CAN'T achieve enough damage or life.

I started playing Ritual League, my first time playing PoE in several years, after some friends told me they "had finally fixed crafting" and that endgame items were both cheaper and easier to make than they had ever been. After a week in the league I liked the way the game had changed so much that I bought a ritual supporter pack and some tabs.

Hard disagree with everything in this development manifesto and really disappointed that crafting is backsliding to fossil spam and getting lucky on a harvest reforge.

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RezzzTooth wrote:

GGG you see these supporter titles? Yeah, its staying that way, forever. Im done supporting your game.

As will mine hahahaha, sad thing i realized this disconnect many years ago and as a result will never buy a supporter pack ever, i love the game and will play it until a better alternative is out, but i refuse to support terrible choices

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oDIVINEWRAITHo wrote:

Does anyone know if this has been retracted or if they have made a statement since the release of this?

They didn't say anything new about it. It is not retracted.

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oDIVINEWRAITHo wrote:

Does anyone know if this has been retracted or if they have made a statement since the release of this?

They're not backing down guy as it should be.

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JinLee1337 wrote:

All of you need to understand that nerfing harvest is way better than buffing all the bosses and monsters again, because then your insane double influence items are the base for entering endgame. If gear is more difficult to get the game gets more difficult as a result and that is the whole point, they want to make the game more difficult. There is no accomplishment in beating a boss if most players can do it. A player always pushes as far as the developers let them.

And lastly people have these strange ideas that they need to overgear for endgame content, most of it you can do on a tabula with mechanical skill. I know that because that is often what i have to do in ssf until i get my actual 6-link.

If you can buy op gear, which can clear everything in the game for cheap in trade, then that is bad. If gear is not a limiting factor, then what is the point of getting said gear. The gear hunt becomes a chore if perfect stats are an achievable endgoal, especially if it is locked behind an annoying mechanic like harvest.

this logic simply means they need to get rid of all OP gear retroactively..that way nobody will want it and we can all do maven with a tabula YAY..

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I_NO wrote:

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oDIVINEWRAITHo wrote:

Does anyone know if this has been retracted or if they have made a statement since the release of this?

They're not backing down guy as it should be.

According to a no-lifer with a trade-centric philosophy, things are fine! As long as this person gets good items, very few other people should, despite whatever effort they make.

Also, here's my daily reminder this manifesto has won the crown for worst, and least-connected-to-players post... well, ever.

I get it, making a game like this (or any really) over a long period of time, for players who often seem hostile, unappreciative, etc etc, is likely to make a developer just as stockholm-syndrome-affected as their players. Sometimes love 'em, mostly, eh, screw them, they make my life hell.

Babies and bathwater though. Make up your minds if you want incremental progression or huge boom-and-bust(and potentially quit, as people do when not inculcated into the gambling-or-else) gameplay.

Harvest was too strong because the other ways of crafting sucked ass. Of course harvest is gonna break PoE's "crafting" because this game's crafting is ass. Chaos and exalt arent crafting. Chaos and exalt are throwing materials in the air hoping it assembles itself and whatever is lands on the floor was "crafted". imagine an artisan throwing his tools and materials in the air and calling it hand "crafted". If theyre going to tone down harvest because it overshadowed the other ways of crafting, maybe give alternatives?

The alternatives arent even alternatives thats why people wont consider them. Put some harvest power into some of the older content. Like augment fire ice lightning to temple. Take out resonators so fossils could become "more common" chaos. Give beasts something else so theyre not just from splitting and imprinting.

Maybe add certain crafts to bosses. Like give atziri an enchant because y'all made her items "useless" just dont make it obnoxious like lab enchants. Maybe something like ritual bases, good stats with obvious downsides since her motif is corruption. Strong modifiers that come with a cost. I added atziri because shes and old hag already time to get her in the spotlight again.

You spend so much time trying to make a new league but shit hits the fan with bugs and performance issues all the time. Maybe revisit an old league with revamped mechanics and stable performance so it doesnt look like turd next to harvest.

Get the "First Ones" to make an appearance. Get the Harbingers' bosses out of their portals or make them descend from space. Get Chayula to breach the dimension and lead his other brethren out of their portals. Have the tempests create spatial anomalies or rifts leading to another space with much harsher environments and special residents with sick new gear. So many leagues have passed and many mechanics are so outdated. Bring these old mechanics up to par with the new PoE and spend the rest of your time fixing shit instead of coming up with a completely new league full of bugs and shitty performance.

For those that would defend Gambling Gear Games

Yes im not a great player I dont know all the ways to "craft". I'm just refusing to learn how to "craft". I just need to git gud. My opinion doesnt count. What else?

Please delete explody while at it. You know it's OP AF...thats why everyone has Crusader/X chests. And why you made it lowest odds of all on alts and no tag. Trivializing mapping and end game is why and you know it.

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GKPlight wrote:

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oDIVINEWRAITHo wrote:

Does anyone know if this has been retracted or if they have made a statement since the release of this?

They didn't say anything new about it. It is not retracted.

Well, that unfortunate. I wish they would listen to the community. I guess I'll play until the next patch then look for something thing else to play again. I suppose it will be an enjoy it while you can type of thing.