Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

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AcidRizzle wrote:

Man I just had a crazy thought... not sure of how it would be implemented. But what if after you harvest crafted something it became bound to the account. But the Oshabi fight in the Sacred Grove could have a chance to drop an Oshabi's Orb that can remove the account binding from an item. Ya know?

they don't want us to have such items.
they ve this sadistic idea that slamming exalts are more fun.

ggg is so far away from their actual community.
a community that filling the blanks to make the game playable.trade channels, trading tools,TFT ..
they should understand 1 thing, harvest crafting allows us to access tons of new build ideas, and that's more fun if compare to slam an exalt.

sadistic and unrealistic.

i could sort of understand the first time they removed harvest. it was powerful and fun and made a lot of us play longer and do more (the average player).

I was looking for a new game. but busy with real life stuff so didn't find one.
Then ritual came along and reintroduced Harvest. i was in heaven and playing hardcore (even surprising my friends with my play time).

To come along and pull the rug again is a sadistic slap in the face from GGG and proves that they care only for their idealistic RNG craziness. they want only the streamers and ultra rich players to have the awesome stuff.

Nobody real plays standard anymore. it's such a bloated economy with massive resources that i know of only one person still playing it.

But leagues are only 3 months. it's hard to get the great gear in leagues. it's hard to perfect a character and kill all the content in 3 months. that's part of the joy and challenge of leagues. harvest made it FANTASTIC fun. with harvest in the game i was more than willing to come back every single league and play to perfection of a character. (by perfection i mean killing all the bosses not perfect gear cause that's kinda silly)

I am one of the ascended crafters on TFT. i think TFT is awesome. a lot of the complaints about TFT stem from the super rarity of recipes in game. They are hard to get so we charge a lot for them. because they are so hard to get it's soemetimes hard to find a trusted ascended crafter. this is not the fault of TFT and they do a lot of work to ban scammers. a billion times more than GGG ever did.

i've been scammed more in game than from TFT that's for dang sure!!!!!!!!!


GGG does absolutely nothing to police scammers within the game but OH NO TFT , this one person this one time got scammed...."WE MUST WRECK THE GAME"



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even with perfect gear you get 1 shotted simple game mechanics is broken no point grinding away days of xp to lose it all one 1 death simply retarded and this is not including broken crafting and trade ggg are finished time people accept reality and move on to a real game like last epoch that has a crafting system that make sense and works

i guess one good thing came from this.
I found a new game to give a try.
I'll download Last Epoch when i get back to the united states. would have not have looked for a new game if GGG hadn't pulled Harvest.

Hool up
Help me get this straight :D

The design phase of Harvest? You designed deterministic crafting.

Theen obviously Harvest didn't appear in Heist. Which at that point felt understandable because well, Harvest isnt really "poe casino style". And I personally never expected it to be brought into main game.

Theeen you did bring it back!
So during Heist league you carefully considered, planned, ate hotdogs, whatever. You decided to bring it back.

Theeeen suddenly you start this squealing 'oh we didnt expect' :D
Yes you did.

Anyway. I think at this point the ship has sailed and deterministic crafting has to stay. Personally I think if you just prevented the craft trading and made crafts more accessible for personal use, it's absolutely fine.

What you just announced is plain unprofessional. Some might say, amateur.
"Just remove the fucking thing" - Chris yelled in tears.
Anywaaay. Don't think I'll continue buying those supporter packs.
Sorry but you lot looks like a teenage girl trying to choose a dress for a party, rather than a professional game studio.

I know it's largely too late for a response to even be read, but hey, in case you do read this Chris...

I was one of those players who rarely if ever made it to yellow maps without quitting. Played at least half a dozen leagues if not more, but Ritual was the first league that I finally WANTED to play more when I got to the atlas. Harvest made it interesting to look at items tiers and stats and plan out how I might be able to get a really good item without spending 1000 hrs farming the same exact content over and over for Exalts. I even bought a supporter pack.

This was a terrible solution to a small problem. If you were worried about standard league, then simply make the harvest crafts untradeable. If you're worried about 3 month leagues, you shouldn't be. The problem isn't that harvest is too good, it's that most of the other crafting systems are bad. It's finally given a reason for people who have lives outside the game to keep playing through the end of the league and have realistic hopes that they can obtain really good gear.

At this point, I just feel glad I chose this league to finish up my atlas once and for all, because if the mindset of your development team going forward is currently set on "fun for me(the 1%), not for thee," then it was a good time to finish up the game for good.

You can't make bind-on-use or bind-to-account items in an ARPG designed for trading. That is insane WoW-ish garbage.

The harvests take long enough to find, and you can only save 10 of them.

Everything is fine.

Exalt orbs are valuable because they are rare, not because they are useful. That makes them a good item for a "gold standard."

I feel like Chris fundamentally misunderstands this fact.

Well, I made the mistake to buy a few stash tabs before this manifesto. No more money and support from me from now on.

So let's talk about the current state of this game. I started playing seriously in Harbinger (don't remember when that was), since then all I've seen is nerfs, nerfs, nerfs, an increase in mobs and boss damage, defenses nerfs, damage nerfs, this league a few changes but mostly nerfs and the return of harvest craft. With the return of harvest craft I thought, wow they finally balanced the game, I can elevate the build I'm playing every league and actually for the first time in years try some new off meta builds and then you go ahead and return us to the stone age where we "slam ex for fun"... wow... what a joke. Just one of the items needed to elevate my build is almost impossible to craft with the old "system" (if that's what you call that mess) and also didn't even see one on the trade site this league, because it's not meta.

This league was a mess, loading bug that you "fixed" by making the loading screen longer and still didn't fix anything, constant lag spikes from YOUR servers that I never experienced before (and I play for about 4 years I think), premium stash tabs, that I payed for, updating once every 3 hours and a lot more, not to mention the heist bugs that are still in the game and you didn't fix last league because you probably didn't have the time (in 6 months of Heist or w/e). The only thing that kept me in the game this league, despite all the growing bugs and issues, was harvest.

Let's also talk about the TFT discord. I will continue using it even if you remove harvest entirely from the game. Why? Because on TFT people have a reputation system, it is less likely to get scammed and you can buy and sell all kind of things with people that actually answer your messages and are trustworthy. I will never use the global or trade in game chats because of those reasons. I really don't understand your problem with that discord, if you add a similar system to the game and actually care about scammers than I will stop using discord in favor of the in game chats.

Don't you guys slam exalts for fun? No, because that's not viable for people that don't stream poe as a job. You are so out of touch with the community it isn't funny anymore.

Edit: So, I just checked and I actually started playing PoE in 2012. But hey you don't care about people like me because we don't stream and spend thousands of dollars every league.

Edit2: You also nerfed harvest once before, when you removed all TAGS from some modifiers.

Just piping in to add my take on the nerfs, adding on top of this pile.

I genuinely would've rather they just didn't give us Harvest back than give it back for one league in an already nerfed state and then just take a massive hammer to it afterwards.

It's a brutal and unnecessary series of nerfs.