Development Manifesto - Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting - Forum

" Rene_2706 wrote: " Dspayre wrote: " MrWonderful99 wrote: Back to the real issue that only a handful of players understand or care about. Having the crafts tradable (on Discord) is the problem. Heck, take out Harvest craft trading and problem solved and no rework is needed....I am certain GGG staff played WOW - just make the crafted pieces soul bound to the account. Easy....come on man...I have read many of the comments in this post. GGG (Chris) needs to rethink this bad decision because it is only OP because of trading. And here is the real source of the problem revealed. Trading harvest crafts on Discord. The proposed nerfs pound the symptoms in to the ground, in an lazy, heavy handed slap to the majority of the players, without addressing the core problem at all. By addressing the trading of Harvest crafts, they could have solved the problem and the symptoms, without unnecessarily harming most players. Fun fact, people will still be using tft after this changes.. As I said... "We don't want to take away the feeling of closing your eyes and Exalting an item, scared to see whether you ruined it or not." - Harvest Manifesto 3/10/2021 So unbelievably inane it has to be memorialized.	Posted by Dspayre#7803 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:00:47 PM Quote this Post
It's good that GGG isn't just after the biggest player base they can get, like blizzard for example, because that would lead them to make decisions which would make the game more to something they never intended to. They've never done what most players tell them and in my eyes that's part of their success. They envision the game to be something to work for and put lots of time in to achieve anything. Harvest is a big shortcut and most people who complain here don't even appreciate the short glimpse of power we were given with it. But well, game will get hard again many noobs leave and game is still good. Last edited by ThorArise#0816 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:05:15 PM	Posted by ThorArise#0816 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:04:24 PM Quote this Post
r/pathofexile	Posted by Dehipo#2352 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:05:20 PM Quote this Post
" ThorArise wrote: It's good that GGG isn't just after the biggest player base they can get, like blizzard for example, because that would lead them to make decisions which would make the game more to something they never intended to. They've never done what most players tell them and in my eyes that's part of their success. They envision the game to be something to work for and put lots of time in to achieve anything. Harvest is a big shortcut and most people who complain here don't even appreciate the short glimpse of power we were given with it. But well, game will get hard again many noobs leave and game is still good. Lold this comment made me chuckle. Yeah, because forcing all the players into playing the 3-4 OP builds of the moment is not a cater to the noobs. The irony on some people is preposterous, they play the lame noob build of the moment and think they're "pro". Look how pro I am zoom zooming the game with my Necro or my BV Assassin, It's simply hilarious xDD Also, how delusional must someone be thinking the noobs can afford the godlike items created at Harvest, hilarious x2... Last edited by Lvzb3l#3460 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:19:16 PM	Posted by Lvzb3l#3460 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:17:12 PM Quote this Post
400 pages baby lets goooo	Posted by vengeance501#1480 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:24:20 PM Quote this Post
" ThorArise wrote: It's good that GGG isn't just after the biggest player base they can get, like blizzard for example, because that would lead them to make decisions which would make the game more to something they never intended to. They've never done what most players tell them and in my eyes that's part of their success. They envision the game to be something to work for and put lots of time in to achieve anything. Harvest is a big shortcut and most people who complain here don't even appreciate the short glimpse of power we were given with it. But well, the game will get hard again many noobs leave and the game is still good. Well, GGG was up to date with their game from beta and some leagues forward. Now they telling people still use exalt with their eyes closed, it shows how much they are unaware of how players playing this game. They chashed out to Tencent, so no wonder Chris and few others don't care that much anymore. Yet they still make insane content, what I mean a lot of content. If you remember very very old days when it was almost impossible to have cap resist till the end of the final act with any first char. And now so easy. The game will never be that hard anymore, stop calling it hard. What harvest does it just save time in the late game. Harvest needed some nerf, personally myself I hate that most players just ran hamlet zone with zana mission, but it seems they are fine with this abuse and instead nerf to the ground actually system which requires work unless you use discord harvest, which also can be dealt with if they wanna. There are many great solutions, like make exalt price for annulment and so on, there are multiple ways. They choose the wrong one. You think GGG is right? In the past, especially in the early game GGG listened most of any company, they asked Krip in the beta how to do certain things, etc and you say they know how to do it? They know based on feedback. So they have find middle ground here, that's why they removed this post from the news, cause another one will come in some time, hopefully with middle-ground balance. 3.15 was a joke. 3.19 was a disaster. Archnemesis/Ruthless/Crucible(Archnemesis 4.0?) - worst ideas. Ruthless is a joke, a waste of resources. PoE2(exilecon version) was super disappointing. Last edited by vahu#5057 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:37:01 PM	Posted by vahu#5057 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:33:39 PM Banned Quote this Post
why people recommend remove harvest from trade... not everyone play ssf or like play this way a game should give some freedom to players decide how they like play if harvest is too op just get some craft and add to other league mechanics (there are plenty) without harvest people will just go back to use builds with many uniques/ the 3-4 meta builds, and i am sure a lot will quit league earlier the harvest itself make me play more 3-4 weeks trying min max to get 5% dmg u dont really need do to the bosses but is a fun objetive	Posted by Mokurp#2464 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:46:43 PM Quote this Post
400 GET	Posted by blaculahax#1717 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:46:55 PM Quote this Post
Yep.. was expecting this CRAP!!! Thanks GGG, we can always count on you to take away all the fun in the game - you know, this is not a job, someone shouldn't have to play 8h/day to be able to have a mid tier build that can do a decent end-game. Can't wait for the new "balance" to MOM builds, we know it's coming, it's just to fun and can do end game on a decent budget so yeah you need to "balance" the shit out of it so we can have the opportunity of "exploring other powerful options" in the game ;). Instead of ruining the game with every patch you should hire some devs to fix the god damn game client that crashes every 5 maps. Just keep doing this GGG, let's see what happens to the player base ;).	Posted by AngryC00kieZ#4542 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:50:08 PM Quote this Post
" ValfaderTV wrote: Harvest crafting was the only reason why I got interested in crafting to begin with. At the time I only had about 2500+ hours in the game and had never crafted as much as a potion before. Deterministic crafting made it easier to understand how the complex system worked and allowed me to not have to rely on other people 100% for my end-game needs. With the end of Harvest and introduction of Heist I flat out skipped a league because it lacked the mechanics that kept me engaged with the game. Now with Ritual adding a nerfed variant of Harvest crafting to the Core game I came back and find myself enjoying the game again, with only two complaints to add to its current implementation; - too few storable crafts in the Horticrafting station, meaning that I had to waste a lot of the rare ones on nothing, and - no real way to target harvest crafting other than a specific Atlas region (which I am fine with) and make items that are good for personal use or trading. You attempt to solve the latter by making the garden encounters be tradable to some extent, while at the same time removing the deterministic part of Harvest crafting, thus rendering the entire system moot in my eyes. The fact that it was deterministic meant that you could get some of the rarer mods at a reasonable price (even now as you trade for it through TFT) instead of wasting tons of currency on pure RNG. I know you love your casino/slot machine mentality, but this is something I personally cannot stand. I can't invest the time, effort and frankly find it completely un-fun in a game that's meant to entertain me. In short; removing deterministic crafting - especially on already influenced items - will likely mean that I stop playing for several leagues or maybe even until PoE 2.0. Sad news overall... :-( So let me get this straight. You played from Betrayal to Harvest without the slightest clue how the 'complex' crafting system worked? Not even a simple bestiary flask craft? Come on dude - I don't believe that for a second and neither do you. I think your problem is that you've invested more dollars than hours into this game (your choice btw) and you feel as though the developers must now cater to your specific needs and vision for the game. They owe you nothing and your supporter packs don't validate your opinion in any way, thankfully.	Posted by demondisguise#1414 on Mar 13, 2021, 3:52:56 PM Quote this Post