Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

2015 account here

ok, we lived thru that awfull door simulation league, but THIS is a low brain decision.

want nerf harvest? remove it! and remove maven content too, its useless without harvest

once you nerfed harvest(reworked tags) after original league. thats not enough you really think? its not a 2 click lego constructor anymore at current state. TFT is not a problem, its just a tool that YOU should provide for us, not community (remember times when poe.trade was more popular than official trade site? or already forgot?)


PS: stop listening to reddit. all desicions you take from there are WORST ever. they will lay you to grave. (what next worst thought you will take there? nerf headhunter? Jesus, really?)

PPS: stop moderating, start listening.

PPPS: that man who offered that nerf should be retired tommorow for not understanding literally anything about this game. thats my personal opinion, sir

Wow, I'm honestly shocked and saddened to see this change. My most played leagues were Harvest and Ritual, tinkering with item crafts, making builds that were fun. It was so liberating to craft my own items over time. Not sure if I'll play the next league with these changes. All I really have to say.

Saw this coming a mile away. GGG hates the peasants having fun.

As much as all of this hurt the market on certain items. This made the game feel as if you didn't need to play every single day to have top tier gear. It also made crafting fun and gave you objectives and an end goal for pieces you wanted to craft. This is probably the most fun and confidence I have had with crafting. Don't take it away :(

Harvest crafting gave me a reason to continue playing once I was finished with my league goals and extended my play time by quite a lot.
With it removed I'll likely return to quitting sooner.
It was nice not to be forced to play meta skills to engage in end game content.

Bump... this topic isn’t getting enough attention.

Deterministic crafting = more fun than RNG

What I can tell you is my point of view and how I see it, obviously I can't speak for everyone or ANYONE else for that matter, but I can give you my 2 cents.
Personally, I think this is a huge mistake you're about to do, if you're going to do it.
I have been planning on being here the upcoming leagues as Ritual has been very enjoying for me, I bought a new PC just to be able to play this game on a decent quality, but ...
Me and my friends have come back to the game 2 years after first joining : synthesis league. Haven't played since because, honestly, it wasn't appealing enough to me. Synthesis was clunky and way too RNG to be fun, there wasn't a lot of activity in the endgame if you didn't like repeating content over and over again like a robot. It just wasn't fun to me. I like grinding. But not soul-less searching of a thing I've achieved over and over again just to improve it by 1% or saying I've done it on 2 different characters. That is NOT fun for people who are not commited to this game finacially. And I'm presuming it's not fun for them either, but hey..they're financially commited to content,right?
It just isn't, no matter how much time you're playing. I've got days when I log 10-12 hours of playing POE per day? It's been so much fun for me trying to catch up to everything and enjoying what this league has to offer with targeted farming, crafting between mapping sessions and so on, it has definitely made it worth coming back to the game after 2 years. But then..what's coming?
Alt spamming items to craft? Getting a 6mod item and having to remove one of them so you try and annul it? And then bricking and going back to a thousand tries while playing with a worthless piece of gear? I wouldn't enjoy running with a glove on my feet rather than shoes, that'd just be torture.
While I understand your reasoning behind this, this solution is not what you're looking for. Make the endgame tougher, don't nerf one of the few good things you've added to it this far.
If you can't offer ingame trading or a marketplace, let TFT be. It's what we HAVE to do to reach our goals. It may be clunky sometimes and it takes you out of the game for a few minutes per day, but it's something you can aspire to. It allows you to reach an outcome.


But enough, I won't keep rambling.

I would like to conclude, the majority of your players don't agree with the direction you plan on going. It pushes back against what the majority of your players enjoy while playing this game and you've decided it goes against your philosophy of the game. While that seems like a thing someone truly back-boned would do and it sounds like it's standing up for something, there have been countless video games going in the dump based on the same out-of-touch/overly optimistic approaches and you're about to make one of the biggest mistakes in the past years.
Please reconsider it. I will take my 1-200 bucks of MTX and flee to someone that lets me enjoy a good game. So will many others.
Please don't ruin this for us.
Peace out.

"Using currency items like Exalted Orbs or Chaos Orbs on your gear is a powerful, risky and exciting way to improve it."
This feels so out of touch with the poe-playerbase.
When was the last time you used an Exalted orb on your Gear? With and without Harvest?
Anyone every wanted an upgrade and started spamming Choas Orbs on a base?

Then there is the point: Havest is to confusing because there are to many options. - How many items drop in your avarage map? Is anyone confused by how many items drop and dont know what to pick up? Then thats a skill to lern. Same goes for Harvest crafts. Learn which once to keep.

I get how people have a problem enganging with TFT. TFT just because popluar because ggg didnt crate a porper way to trade these carfts. TFT is a symptom, not the problem. Futhermor with those changes TFT is still nessesary to craft. We still have some powerfull crafts to trade eg "reforge keep suffix/prefix".

People like empy still will get their mirrortier Items. The less Hardcore you are about playing poe the more these changes hurt you.

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cacmeister wrote:

Bump... this topic isn’t getting enough attention.

As usual GGG is monitoring and has responded to Reddit.

This decision is final. Exalt slamming glasses will be part of the 3.14 supporter packs.

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Players also expressed frustration that the most effective way to get the best items in Path of Exile was to join a discord channel and try to trade for these incredibly crucial crafts.

The first part of this that concerned us was that Harvest was critical in making the best items (and hence made many other game systems obsolete). The second part, where it was inconvenient to trade them, becomes far less of a problem if we can solve the first issue.

Trading harvest over discord will not become less of a problem at all because of your changes.

A few useful harvest crafts remain, and getting access to those repeatedly is still 20x easier by buying them through TFT discord then running maps over and over again, hoping to get lucky and finding just the right craft you need for your item.

There will be way less builds that heavily benefit from harvest crafted items, but all the other issues remain the same.

For those builds that do need harvest crafts for their items, or players that want to harvest craft for profit, nothing changed regarding the harvest trading issue at all.

It's a useless system now for a large part of the player base, but for those that still want to engage with it after your planned changes, the problems all remain the same.



The only thing you accomplish with those changes is taking the explode chest and elusive boots away, alongside with the targeted clean up for high end players to craft "perfect" items way more easily then before, or even at all, as in many cases it just wasn't possible during a league, AND taking away tons of customized off-meta gearing options as well as a reasonable crafting option for solo players that don't want to engage with trade.


This is what you did. Nothing more. Don't pretend like your proposed changes would fix any other issue.