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I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I can't get more than 7-10 virulence against single targets even though it goes to 50+ in mapping. Damage is terrible vs. bosses and this seems to be why. Can anyone give insight? I don't have complete defenses and alt quality gems but I have lvl 31 HoA. I feel like I must be missing something really obvious around the poison/virulence mechanic.


You don't have storm brand in your gloves. Putting 2 brands on a boss will automatically give you a minimum 20 virulence.
Last edited by Chronk#4389 on Apr 13, 2022, 1:25:17 AM
I’ll expirement some more, against shaper last night I swapped ball lightning for storm brand but still only hitting 10 max virulence.
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RingOfScars wrote:
I’ll expirement some more, against shaper last night I swapped ball lightning for storm brand but still only hitting 10 max virulence.


Hi RingOfScars!

Yes, you need maximal virulences to generate full damage.

You need BOTH 80% poisonchance and as much castspeed as possible and the jewel "the golden rule " which doubles your virulences.

Triad grips gloves are great for damage, but harder to reach high poisonchance and high castspeed.

So put out your gloves the critical strike affliction gem support, it don't support here.

Best would be with triad gripes Divergent HoAg lvl 21 gem (20% more poisonchance) and whipsers of doom with both sniper's mark and despair and curse mastery (20% more poisonchance)

Check the section gloves in the spoiler "gear, skills, links" for all details and generating full max virulences.

Next to it is also the red-titled spoiler "Damage: The Composition of Agony
Poisonchance, castspeed, virulences, HoA-levels" which shows alternatives for more poisonchance and castspeed.

Anomalous ball-lightnings (lvl 1) - storm brand (lvl 1) - greater multiple projectiles - chance to poison support


With lvl21 Divergent HoAg, curse mastery and white triad grips: use anomalous spellecho instead chance to poison

Or start first with faster casting integrated in rare gloves instead the later b.i.s. triad grips.
Last edited by Chromino#4813 on Apr 13, 2022, 12:55:27 PM
Thank you for the details! I'll start experimenting today:)
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RingOfScars wrote:
Thank you for the details! I'll start experimenting today:)


Triad is difficult to get high viru on with just BL/Stormbrand, rare 6-link gloves are much better.

Triad works beautifully with stormburst (in a cast while channeling setup) against bosses (nearly instant 60 virulences), but with just basic BL it is pretty difficult to even get above 40.
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Valsacar wrote:
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RingOfScars wrote:
Thank you for the details! I'll start experimenting today:)


Triad is difficult to get high viru on with just BL/Stormbrand, rare 6-link gloves are much better.

Triad works beautifully with stormburst (in a cast while channeling setup) against bosses (nearly instant 60 virulences), but with just basic BL it is pretty difficult to even get above 40.


Hi Valsacar!

No - when you stack poisonchance and castspeed you can also obtain continuous 70 virulences with ball-lightnings without problems with triad grips.

Stormburst is nice too, but it's a bit more clunky and a bit slower as channeling skill and you loose some damage while moving.

Both skills works, but with ball-lightnings and stormbrands your movement is much smoother and you get more damage-uptime also while moving.
Last edited by Chromino#4813 on Apr 13, 2022, 5:17:37 PM
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Chromino wrote:
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Valsacar wrote:
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RingOfScars wrote:
Thank you for the details! I'll start experimenting today:)


Triad is difficult to get high viru on with just BL/Stormbrand, rare 6-link gloves are much better.

Triad works beautifully with stormburst (in a cast while channeling setup) against bosses (nearly instant 60 virulences), but with just basic BL it is pretty difficult to even get above 40.


Hi Valsacar!

No - when you stack poisonchance and castspeed you can also obtain continuous 70 virulences with ball-lightnings without problems with triad grips.

Stormburst is nice too, but it's a bit more clunky and a bit slower as channeling skill and you loose some damage while moving.

Both skills works, but with ball-lightnings and stormbrands your movement is much smoother and you get more damage-uptime also while moving.


Chromino I don't want to be argumentative here, but even your own demo videos show getting over 40 isn't easy with just BL/Stormbrand on single target.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIT47ZxPRqc&t=18s&ab_channel=PlayL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwCXAcmUHVo&ab_channel=PlayL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWCoDMHho14&ab_channel=PlayL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c54CDcpH5jw&ab_channel=PlayL

etc. Only time you even get into the 60's is on Drox when there are spawns behind him.

Don't get me wrong, the build is awesome (which is why I keep coming back to it) and tanky as hell. But, maxing virulences on single target with BL/Stormbrand is not easy.

You don't lose damage with Stormburst, you gain it. This build is so tanky you rarely need to move, but if you do it's just a blink/dash and then before you've even dropped 10 virulences you're back at full again.

It's really not that clunky to change gems, you even recommend it for minions (2x gem swaps for single target) so it only adds a fraction of a second to change a 3rd at the same time.
I like phantasms

and as guide suggested using the blessed rebirth for 4sec damage immunity for phantasms on boss

my question is what is absolute best skill links for hoag + phantasms?

specifically asking for 2r 2b 2g and 1r 2b 3g colors.

thank you.
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nickaustin wrote:
I like phantasms

and as guide suggested using the blessed rebirth for 4sec damage immunity for phantasms on boss

my question is what is absolute best skill links for hoag + phantasms?

specifically asking for 2r 2b 2g and 1r 2b 3g colors.

thank you.


Hi nickaustin!

Hehe, I love the phantasms and their screenaction and design too and they are great for mapping or blights and levelling.

The best combos are in the spoilers "The dirty scorpion tail" and in "variations" --> "Harry Potter Senior & The Airforce 11 - More minions"

Herald of Agony | Summon-Phantasms-Support | Awakened Minion Damage | Empower | Awakened void manipulation | vile toxins / damage full life / predator / (awakened) fork

For mapping the piercing of the physical spell of the phantasms offers enough damage against mobs, in blight maps awakened fork is also interesting. With blessed rebirth damage on full life is extreme strong, vile toxins is also great.
Last edited by Chromino#4813 on Apr 14, 2022, 11:35:14 AM
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Valsacar wrote:


Chromino I don't want to be argumentative here, but even your own demo videos show getting over 40 isn't easy with just BL/Stormbrand on single target.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIT47ZxPRqc&t=18s&ab_channel=PlayL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwCXAcmUHVo&ab_channel=PlayL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWCoDMHho14&ab_channel=PlayL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c54CDcpH5jw&ab_channel=PlayL

etc. Only time you even get into the 60's is on Drox when there are spawns behind him.

Don't get me wrong, the build is awesome (which is why I keep coming back to it) and tanky as hell. But, maxing virulences on single target with BL/Stormbrand is not easy.

You don't lose damage with Stormburst, you gain it. This build is so tanky you rarely need to move, but if you do it's just a blink/dash and then before you've even dropped 10 virulences you're back at full again.

It's really not that clunky to change gems, you even recommend it for minions (2x gem swaps for single target) so it only adds a fraction of a second to change a 3rd at the same time.


Hehe, no problem!

I guess it's really a question of personal taste and playstyle. I personally don't like that stormburst needs a second to channel and ball-lightnings are feeling smoother in my experiences for moving in maps. Perhaps I simply love the sound of firing the balls out more than the cyclonestyle or stormbursts.

But you get the 70 virulences nice and fast with stormburst too, with ball-lightnings you need half a second to reach full 70 stacks. In simulacrums for example, where you don't need movement like in maps and can clean stationary the waves, stormburst is relaxing too and fits great. There are some arachnophobiatics who prefer stormburst or cyclone before ball-lightnings and the variation is great.

Overall it's everytime a lot fun to play the different skills, and in the build it's easy to switch different styles and variations like cyclone, stormburst, stormbrands or ball-lightnings or even winterorb aor eye of winter etc... Since 3.16 is also more relaxing with tempestshield's autotrigggered virulences so that the crawler almost never despawns....

Hehe, in the videos the bosses plainly die too fast to show the full damage of the crawler.
But against UE, you easy reach the 70 virulences with ball-lightnings and for mapping of course 30-40 with stormbrand are more than enough.


Hehe, and congratulations again, Valsacar to lvl 100 and awesome 40/ 40 challenges! Great done and impressive!
Last edited by Chromino#4813 on Apr 14, 2022, 12:07:32 PM

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