⛵☁️[3.25] The Arachnophobia Allstars| Chaos Guardian CI|The dirty Scorpion-tail|Herald of Agony 150M+

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Chromino wrote:
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nickaustin wrote:
I like phantasms

and as guide suggested using the blessed rebirth for 4sec damage immunity for phantasms on boss

my question is what is absolute best skill links for hoag + phantasms?

specifically asking for 2r 2b 2g and 1r 2b 3g colors.

thank you.


Hi nickaustin!

Hehe, I love the phantasms and their screenaction and design too and they are great for mapping or blights and levelling.

The best combos are in the spoilers "The dirty scorpion tail" and in "variations" --> "Harry Potter Senior & The Airforce 11 - More minions"

Herald of Agony | Summon-Phantasms-Support | Awakened Minion Damage | Empower | Awakened void manipulation | vile toxins / damage full life / predator / (awakened) fork

For mapping the piercing of the physical spell of the phantasms offers enough damage against mobs, in blight maps awakened fork is also interesting. With blessed rebirth damage on full life is extreme strong, vile toxins is also great.


tyvm for indepth reply.

one more question if you dont mind.

I have both 2r2b2g and 1r2b3g variants
so between damage on full life vs vile toxins which is better?

thx
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nickaustin wrote:


tyvm for indepth reply.

one more question if you dont mind.

I have both 2r2b2g and 1r2b3g variants
so between damage on full life vs vile toxins which is better?

thx


With blessed rebirth and in maps damage on full life (2g2b2r).
Singletarget vile toxins is a bit stronger, but needs a second to stack up the poisonstacks.

The concrete dps is shown in the pob when you added the Phantasms in the HoAg supports. On the left side in the dropdown-menue choose instead HoAg the phantasms, as attack in their dropdown-menue physical projectiles, and multiply with 11 spirits.
Last edited by Chromino on Apr 18, 2022, 7:34:49 AM
Just wanted to say thanks for the build. Funniest I played so far and on my way to lvl 100. Kinda unkillabble, especially since I found Mageblood.
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DimitriusC wrote:
Just wanted to say thanks for the build. Funniest I played so far and on my way to lvl 100. Kinda unkillabble, especially since I found Mageblood.


Thank you a lot DimitriusC!

That means much to me when you enjoy the build.

:-)

Let it sting!
Last edited by Chromino on Apr 18, 2022, 12:18:00 PM
Hey, pretty much wrapped up the league except for my last remaining goal of clearing wave 30 simulacrum and this is the build i ended up picking.

Currently leveling to 85 after spending a ton of exalts on gear and it's very fun to play! My only goal when picking a simulacrum build was finding something super tanky because i usually play glass cannon and can't clear simulacrum on my main character. I went for the 100% chaos conversion version btw.

Some things do confuse me though so i figured i would ask.

How do i keep my spiders up all of the time? This one is the most annoying thing so far because they disappear after a while and i actually find it pretty difficult to resummon them in combat.

At the beginning of the map or whenever my herald is down and there are no mobs around it's easy to desecrate + writhing jar + brand and instantly have 20 of them but what i find is that any other time i try to do that combo the maggots from the jar are getting sniped instantly making it so that no spiders spawn. Especially the herald seems to love killing them before my abilities can.

How do i deal with this issue?

My second issue is that i'm now getting to the point of investing in cluster jewels but i really can't make my mind up when it comes to which ones to buy.

Double cult leader and pure agony seems like solid end of cluster choices but the initial one seems like there's arguments for different ones and i can't tell which ones would be best after i keep going back and forth between your PoB and the trade links on this forum post.

Pure agony + 2 skills is BiS? So is 3 notables renewal, raze and pillage? But then renewal isn't even specced into on the tree so can i buy a cluster without it? Unique megalomaniac is also listed as BiS but it isn't used on the "100% chaos conversion 17m most damage" version of the PoB so i don't use that one? I guess i should just try to copy the clusters from that one exactly.

Sorry if it's a lot of dumb questions, i usually just pick builds from other people so when it comes to making decisions i find it very hard to tell what to do.


edit - didn't think about this earlier but here's a link to my PoB if it helps to have a glance at it: https://pastebin.com/sVJVJHFN

Last edited by infinimer on Apr 21, 2022, 12:10:41 AM
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infinimer wrote:
Hey, pretty much wrapped up the league except for my last remaining goal of clearing wave 30 simulacrum and this is the build i ended up picking.


Everyone needs to resummon the spiders mid-map/encounter one way or another. And yes it can be awkward. You just have to 'get the hang of it', swap your skills around or use the unique Gravebind-gauntlets (which however offer nothing else for the build beside the spider automation). If you can push in culling strike support into your spam skill set up spider upkeep gets much easier. I have personally dropped ball lightning and storm brand entirely and use cwc+eye of winter+storm burst+culling, while many others prefer the cyclone cwc combo.

For clusters you want 4-6 mediums with Pure Agony, with possibly some STR/DEX and whatever resists you're lacking if possible. Cult-leader is the best secondary node for dps on those, but not as important as Pure agony if you want to save some currency and get Invigorating Portents etc for some minion movement speed instead.

I don't know which part of the guide you're referring to, but I assume it's about megalomaniacs which can also be amazing with Pure Agony and a defensive node like veteran defender, or something not available on rare clusters for us like Evil Eye etc, etc.

For large clusters you can just get voices if you can afford a +1/+3 one, or pick whatever your build needs the most. The defensive nodes with riot-queller+veteran defender can cost as much as voices, while spellblock and minion dmg are more affordable. Often with large clusters the third node isn't used so that you can get the other two and jewel slots for minimum passives invested hence the skill doesn't matter, but you always want it to be a skill that stays in the "middle" for the above mentioned reason.
Last edited by met_ku on Apr 21, 2022, 4:36:05 AM
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infinimer wrote:
Hey, pretty much wrapped up the league except for my last remaining goal of clearing wave 30 simulacrum and this is the build i ended up picking.

Currently leveling to 85 after spending a ton of exalts on gear and it's very fun to play! My only goal when picking a simulacrum build was finding something super tanky because i usually play glass cannon and can't clear simulacrum on my main character. I went for the 100% chaos conversion version btw.

Some things do confuse me though so i figured i would ask.

How do i keep my spiders up all of the time? This one is the most annoying thing so far because they disappear after a while and i actually find it pretty difficult to resummon them in combat.

At the beginning of the map or whenever my herald is down and there are no mobs around it's easy to desecrate + writhing jar + brand and instantly have 20 of them but what i find is that any other time i try to do that combo the maggots from the jar are getting sniped instantly making it so that no spiders spawn. Especially the herald seems to love killing them before my abilities can.

How do i deal with this issue?

My second issue is that i'm now getting to the point of investing in cluster jewels but i really can't make my mind up when it comes to which ones to buy.

Double cult leader and pure agony seems like solid end of cluster choices but the initial one seems like there's arguments for different ones and i can't tell which ones would be best after i keep going back and forth between your PoB and the trade links on this forum post.

Pure agony + 2 skills is BiS? So is 3 notables renewal, raze and pillage? But then renewal isn't even specced into on the tree so can i buy a cluster without it? Unique megalomaniac is also listed as BiS but it isn't used on the "100% chaos conversion 17m most damage" version of the PoB so i don't use that one? I guess i should just try to copy the clusters from that one exactly.

Sorry if it's a lot of dumb questions, i usually just pick builds from other people so when it comes to making decisions i find it very hard to tell what to do.


edit - didn't think about this earlier but here's a link to my PoB if it helps to have a glance at it: https://pastebin.com/sVJVJHFN



Hi infimer!

Thank you a lot and let them swarm!



Yes, when you reach around 10M damage and ailment immunities it is one of the best fitting, most cheap and most tanky builds to farm simulacrum wave 30.

For the spiders:

yes, they are a bit clunky. Zoom in the screen and practise in hideout. Frostblink is best to kill them fast, stormbrands or icenova have larger 360`` aoe.

In the spoiler "blizzard" are more tipps like predator or divine ire to use when you have too much problems.

In some boss-fights you need to know the moments to raise them easy when the hoAh has not fullatackspeed and full viruleces, like in Zana's shield against shaper, or cortex boss's cooldown attack against the feared or when sequenzes of boss-fights changes.

The clusters:

met_ku wrote great all important stuff.
In endgame rare medium clusters are 96% always the best with attributes or resistances.

While levelling, in special set-ups or when you want to balance a bit more into defences megalamoniatics clusters with the manaskills determination/ self control/ sublime form with ashes of the stars/ for 100% ailment-immunities/ or for goals are sometimes a bit better for goals like 100% ailment-immunities, 75% spellblock, 80% poisonchance or to free up some passives for other important masteries.

But only when you get a really good one with 3 extreme strong skills!
When you are full levelled or want to balance into damage the rare ones are the best for more dps!

In large clusters you use raze and pillage only in early game or when you want the beautifull mtx-effect of ignites. In endgame instead only renewal is useful.

In your pob I would advice to get more virulences with more medium clusters pure agony for better damage. The 60-70 virulences are leading far for the offensive. Balance out as long as you use only 1 curse whispers of doom and perhaps wicked ward.


Don't worry about questions. :-) Poe is so complex that everytime you start it there will be new questions mandatory, hehehe.

Just ask - we have the answers - perhaps. :-)
Last edited by Chromino on Apr 21, 2022, 11:46:53 AM
Thank you for taking the time to answer. Will work on a bit more virulence.

Yeah i might try another skill for killing maggots easier. It's a bit tricky to find the right timing.

Another thing i was wondering was if i can drop a gem somewhere to use flame dash or any dash skill really. Only having Withering Step is very weird to me after being used to Flame Dash in every character i play, lol.

Also was wondering since we take the additional curse talent, which curses are we applying? Not sure i'm applying a single one? There is Sniper's Mark cast when stunned but i don't think i see it often, is it because my mouse needs to be on the boss when i get stunned?

edit - tried met_ku's cast when channeling setup and it feels great! it's not as smooth on the movement as the other setup but this never seems to fail summoning spiders, nice!
Last edited by infinimer on Apr 21, 2022, 12:56:22 PM
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infinimer wrote:
Thank you for taking the time to answer. Will work on a bit more virulence.

Yeah i might try another skill for killing maggots easier. It's a bit tricky to find the right timing.

Another thing i was wondering was if i can drop a gem somewhere to use flame dash or any dash skill really. Only having Withering Step is very weird to me after being used to Flame Dash in every character i play, lol.


Frostblink for general usage or flamedash for heists and the sort is great for the build, though I prefer whirling blades myself; the range is perfect for avoiding ground degens and it has good synergy with the eye of winter cwc set up in my opinion; spam, whirl, spam.
You probably need to find an unset ring (also great to have despair on hit mod on it) or an aegis that grants determination/grace to release a gem slot for it. There is also an indepth section for skillmanagement in the OP.

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infinimer wrote:
Also was wondering since we take the additional curse talent, which curses are we applying? Not sure i'm applying a single one? There is Sniper's Mark cast when stunned but i don't think i see it often, is it because my mouse needs to be on the boss when i get stunned?


You can swap the mark for manual if you wish, but it's usually enough on cws. The other curse is despair (or invulnerability before chaosconversion). Rings are the most common source, but you can also get it from other sources like the unique stibnite flask witchfire brew if you prefer so.

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infinimer wrote:
edit - tried met_ku's cast when channeling setup and it feels great! it's not as smooth on the movement as the other setup but this never seems to fail summoning spiders, nice!


Great to hear you like it! It's sort of a trade off either way, ball lightning is smoothest overall set up and doen't require gem swaps for single target bosses. Cyclone is most brains-off mapping skill, but you need to swap gems for bosses. My set up is as you said not as 'smooth', but almost automates spiders and gives you instant virulence cap on single target bosses without any gem swaps.
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Frostblink for general usage or flamedash for heists and the sort is great for the build, though I prefer whirling blades myself; the range is perfect for avoiding ground degens and it has good synergy with the eye of winter cwc set up in my opinion; spam, whirl, spam.


Alright, i swapped Withering Step for Frostblink. How come Frostblink over Flame Dash unless in Heists?

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You probably need to find an unset ring (also great to have despair on hit mod on it) or an aegis that grants determination/grace to release a gem slot for it. There is also an indepth section for skillmanagement in the OP.


I'll probably look for an unset ring with Despair on it. Currently running double Synth rings. Already got Aegis with Determination!


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You can swap the mark for manual if you wish, but it's usually enough on cws. The other curse is despair (or invulnerability before chaosconversion). Rings are the most common source, but you can also get it from other sources like the unique stibnite flask witchfire brew if you prefer so.


Going to try manual mark for a bit. How does cast when stunned mark work? Does my mouse need to be on the thing i want to curse at the moment i get stunned? I dunno how the logic of a cast when stunned mark works.

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Great to hear you like it! It's sort of a trade off either way, ball lightning is smoothest overall set up and doen't require gem swaps for single target bosses. Cyclone is most brains-off mapping skill, but you need to swap gems for bosses. My set up is as you said not as 'smooth', but almost automates spiders and gives you instant virulence cap on single target bosses without any gem swaps.


Yeah i prefer no gem swaps. Channeling setup seems perfect for me, absolutely no problem getting spiders up and keeping them up.

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