Cold ANIMATE WEAPON Summoner | League-Start & Leveling Guide

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IchiMorghulis wrote:

Whats with people coming here to sell Ghazzy's build, doesn't he have a build guide?

Btw, good luck with getting 2 CIP. You're competing with poison builds, HoP builds, and the flock of other players playing AW. I don't think you'll find them at 3.9 prices.

Noone is selling Ghazzy's build. OP himself has been considering pure phys and ele versions a while back and Ghazzy's PoB has simply been used for comparison purposes.

And noone is expecting CIP to be cheap. Only idiots would assume that, so basically you come in here assuming we are all idiots and talking about people selling another build.

Maybe I should tell you that +1 minion wands for the ele version of the build will cost multiple exalts too in the first week? No, because I assume you know that.

And many people planning for phys version will play elemental for a while, depending on Triad prices. And then switch to phys because it has a much higher ceiling.

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GoldPush wrote:

Why not a nice 4l (even an elder helm to boost it more) of SG for clear?

Thats an option. If AW turns out to be too slow for clearing, drop the charge generation spectres and go for SGs or Frost Sentinels or maybe even the Maraketh ranged spectres if they turn out to be good. Maybe we will finally find a spectre that beats SGs for clear speed, with the hundreds of added new spectres :D

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Mecielle wrote:

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acekac93 wrote:

do u have pob ? l want to check it ;] ty

I spent 6 more points to get the Tireless wheel. So now I have 19 passives left and 7000 life, and lower mana cost which will probably be very nice QoL.

Always keeping in mind that the gear Ghazzy used is insane on the life front, so 7000 with that gear will probably be more like 6000 for us until very late game.

I think everything else is setup correctly, if not lemme know:

https://pastebin.com/t79JB55Z

Oh and what I also wanted to mention. With that much investment into life, it could be a viable idea for you to check a CI version of this. It will also probably have lower damage, but could result in more EHP with lower investment.

Thanks for the pastbin, excactly what I was after for the league starter!

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HeManNZ wrote:

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Mecielle wrote:

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acekac93 wrote:

do u have pob ? l want to check it ;] ty

I spent 6 more points to get the Tireless wheel. So now I have 19 passives left and 7000 life, and lower mana cost which will probably be very nice QoL.

Always keeping in mind that the gear Ghazzy used is insane on the life front, so 7000 with that gear will probably be more like 6000 for us until very late game.

I think everything else is setup correctly, if not lemme know:

https://pastebin.com/t79JB55Z

Oh and what I also wanted to mention. With that much investment into life, it could be a viable idea for you to check a CI version of this. It will also probably have lower damage, but could result in more EHP with lower investment.

Thanks for the pastbin, excactly what I was after for the league starter!

Since I didn't add a disclaimer when I posted it because I thought it was obvious, and someone above thought it is worth mentioning: Cold Iron Points will not be easy to get in the first few days. But even without them, just getting some normal minion wands/sceptres or even a staff will be easily enough to do pretty much everything in the game.

I mean, if you strip the character totally naked (add +1000 or whatever accuracy to the NERF flask to simulate the 100% chance to hit the AWs have at level 20) you would still have ~400k damage per Animated Weapon. Which is 5.6m Shaper DPS at level 20.

So yea, we will have no problem farming progressing through the atlas while farming currency for the CIPs.

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acekac93 wrote:

My impale animate weapon starter over 8k hp + 1.5m damage per weapon
enjoy https://pastebin.com/9hkdkLpq
u need forked pob https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/wiki/Installing-this-Fork

Dude, you use a lvl 11 AW while giving it the 48/48%. You have a 80% more damage which has no right to be here. It inflates "a bit" the dps. You have 833K dps per weapon currently, probably more with skill levels, but not 1,5M.

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Keyen wrote:

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acekac93 wrote:

My impale animate weapon starter over 8k hp + 1.5m damage per weapon
enjoy https://pastebin.com/9hkdkLpq
u need forked pob https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/wiki/Installing-this-Fork

Dude, you use a lvl 11 AW while giving it the 48/48%. You have a 80% more damage which has no right to be here. It inflates "a bit" the dps. You have 833K dps per weapon currently, probably more with skill levels, but not 1,5M.

l added +6 from cip my bad

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VenturaD wrote:

Whats your opinion on what is going to be stronger?Animate Weapon builds or Chains of Command builds?

Well, you probably saw that already, but CoC can reach 20M dps for a low budget (Just getting a real +1 6L for AW will be more expensive than everything in the pob combined):
https://pastebin.com/WV3KxKiK

And then, you can check around the PoB of AW everywhere on the thread, and see that for dozens exalts, you don't reach that :D

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Keyen wrote:

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VenturaD wrote:

Whats your opinion on what is going to be stronger?Animate Weapon builds or Chains of Command builds?

Well, you probably saw that already, but CoC can reach 20M dps for a low budget (Just getting a real +1 6L for AW will be more expensive than everything in the pob combined):
https://pastebin.com/WV3KxKiK

And then, you can check around the PoB of AW everywhere on the thread, and see that for dozens exalts, you don't reach that :D

CoC is cheaper, and definitely an option for the start, but it is very limited in its potential. For example with only 2 CIPs and a Tabula I expect to be at around 20-22m Shaper DPS and I would be HUGELY surprised if I don't reach 30m+ Shaper DPS with only a small handful of exalts invested in my normal Phys Impale AW.

Not sure what you think is 100% vital to get that amount of damage that will cost "dozens of exalts".

But yea, until I get 2 CIPs the CoC version will be better. But I doubt CoC will be much cheaper than CIPs in the first few days.

Here's my personal PoB. It doesn't include any compensation to make AW to the new version, so take the damage with a grain of salt.

https://pastebin.com/xG8nBvd3

Power+frenzy charges from Spectres. The build featuring 81/80/85/89 res, some ok armor, 20% spell block. Thanks to glorious vanity, 50% of elemental taken is taken as chaos damage. 40% of physical is taken as lightning damage thanks to chest and watchers eye. ~200% life increase in tree. You will be tanky.

Edit: due to lot of damage taken as chaos, you NEED to cap chaos res.

The mana reserve is an issue, depending on the final mana cost of animated weapon. First step is to disable Precision, and I will probably substitute it with vaal grace. Second step is to add enlighten to skitterbots and put flame dash somewhere else, probably replacing convocation. The second step is hopefully not needed.

Even though this is ~midgame, there's plenty of places to grow. With levels you can get another two slots of jewels. After that you can take more life. If you're low on mana, going Mystic Bulwark and thanks to our shield and we get some easy mana regen, can even work in Tempest Shield buff somewhere for even more mana+block.

The rares with HP are counted for 70hp each, which is on the lower side. A stygian with %life and 100life can easily help you by a fair bit. Forgoing unset and getting a 7% life ring and there you have another big contributor. There's no doubt you will reach 6k hp, with little pushing 6.5k and later we might even reach 7k+. The hardest part will be getting all the necessary chaos res. Potentially we're gonna have to have use some fill-in jewels either for chaos or compensate for res.

The mainweapon is ridiculously low. Depending on what happens with gem levels, a +2 (or even +1) wand will probably eat this one for breakfast. Tons of damage to be gained there.

The boots not only give us a 25 purity of lightning, it has the perfect built in line that it adds fire damage to spells and attacks, which solves the EE problem.

Later on we can potentially corrupt some things.
The shield can have "8 of Physical Damage from Hits taken as Chaos Damage" and with our high chaos res, this will just further lower the phys damage taken. Gloves could be corrupted for ele weakness on hit.
Anoint or path to Whispers of Doom, and you can run frostbite too, which should give you a ton of dps, especially on bosses.

In general the tree is a WiP, and I don't have a great way to get to the edges now for the new jewels. Gonna have to see them in my hand and work with them to figure out if it's worth it. Would love to get suggestions here.

All of this though stands and fall on the fact that animated weapon can carry the dps and we can mainly focus on defensives.

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Mecielle wrote:

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Keyen wrote:

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VenturaD wrote:

Whats your opinion on what is going to be stronger?Animate Weapon builds or Chains of Command builds?

Well, you probably saw that already, but CoC can reach 20M dps for a low budget (Just getting a real +1 6L for AW will be more expensive than everything in the pob combined):
https://pastebin.com/WV3KxKiK

And then, you can check around the PoB of AW everywhere on the thread, and see that for dozens exalts, you don't reach that :D

CoC is cheaper, and definitely an option for the start, but it is very limited in its potential. For example with only 2 CIPs and a Tabula I expect to be at around 20-22m Shaper DPS and I would be HUGELY surprised if I don't reach 30m+ Shaper DPS with only a small handful of exalts invested in my normal Phys Impale AW.

Not sure what you think is 100% vital to get that amount of damage that will cost "dozens of exalts".

But yea, until I get 2 CIPs the CoC version will be better. But I doubt CoC will be much cheaper than CIPs in the first few days.

Not sure about the limited potential when you are using Voidforge and multiply by 4 the added physical damage from jewels.

As I said, I have already 20M dps without rings, without awakened supports, without Belt, and with 5c jewels. You think you can hit 30m for an handful of exalt? You dont know that, especially with the unknown price of CIP (It will not be 3c, btw). You dont know the availability of rotten claws. I do know how much I can do already, without supposition, and I know I can scale much harder than that. You are also losing tons of utility from the lack of triggering wand, and tons of tankiness from the lack of shield. Pure dps is not everything. And even in the case you do beat CoC in super high end gear (Where the practical difference between 30m and 35m is not really important), you still have to summon every single AW one by one at the start of each map, resummon them mid map, gemme swaps for bosses, etc etc

But it's fine :D

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OP himself has been considering pure phys and ele versions a while back and Ghazzy's PoB has simply been used for comparison purposes

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For the record, Tuesday evening, OP believed that the Cold Build would be "high end only, fire build will be better untel then" ( despite the multiple demonstrations of the opposite I made), and yesterday, he made a post about how inferior physical version would be.

So much for the "he considered them a while back"

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Keyen wrote:

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VenturaD wrote:

Whats your opinion on what is going to be stronger?Animate Weapon builds or Chains of Command builds?

Well, you probably saw that already, but CoC can reach 20M dps for a low budget (Just getting a real +1 6L for AW will be more expensive than everything in the pob combined):
https://pastebin.com/WV3KxKiK

And then, you can check around the PoB of AW everywhere on the thread, and see that for dozens exalts, you don't reach that :D

Since you have your own thread i dont get why do you have to advertise your build in this one. Some people are having hard enough time to figure out which version of AW to play even without your propaganda.