Price fixing on xbox

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Carmelbearbwar wrote:

I'm not quite sure you guys understand the economics of it fully. Trying to argue supply and demand makes zero sense because they are both proportionately smaller. The other thing is that while yes there are less of the item there is also much less currently bloating the market. Realistically the size should have little to do with it except for certain items that are basically unobtainable due to such little chances for it.

I don't think you understand economics. Smaller player base means less items coming into the market so the price will be higher. Less players overall doesn't change the % of players wanting meta builds and therefore meta items. Even though a lower total amount of players need an item (compared with PC), there are less of said items available. Supply and demand. The demand remains the same (% wise) but the supply is lower, ergo, higher prices.

200k people on PC 20k on console means items should be 10x more expensive on console.

10x more its fine...but on PS4 items are even 100x, 200x, and more expensive . On PC ring for 1 C on PS4 they want 2-3 EX . Its ridiculous! you first find that item before you earn currency for it. So probably trade os PS4 is dead, that is why they dont upgrade it.

As a long time online gamer its obvious that there is some market manipulation happening in PS4.

Its pretty much unavoidable that in a system that is extremely awkward by design that people who are willing to spend the time playing and manipulating the market will be able make a fortune.

Price fixing in a small market like the one on console is just completely stupid.
You can't fix anything if the market is small.
I don't even check the market before pricing an item lol.
Who cares how much someone else price an item? Your prices are not competing with other 300.000 players, but with just a few, so it doesn't make even sense.
Let's say someone price an item 1ex. Let's say I price that same item at 3 ex. You think I'll never sell it? Lol as soon as that guy goes offline or sell it, mine will be the best price. That's why price fixing makes no sense In a small market.
It'd be of course different if there was a lot of items due to a much bigger community.

And, of course, economy works on solid bases: demand and supply. That's why on consoles prices are 10 times pc prices, because PC community is 19 times bigger which means 10 times more items on the market.

I've paid 7ex for whaka shield when on PC it's like 1 ex, why?
Because the prophecy for it is rare and if only a few people plays there will be only a few Whaka on the market.

On the other hand you can sell for much higher prices for the same reason.

So I can't see a problem with market on consoles, of course is much more difficult to find the ring you want and if you are lucky enough to find it, you better prepare yourself to overpay it.
Consoles trade leagues are just halfway between trade league and ssff and I actually like it, makes everything more difficult but not so difficult like on an actual ssff

Xbox and PS4 both have at least 15k characters each in the current league.

This not accounting for players that have multiple characters.

You can check this by looking at the current ladder standings.

Smaller market for sure. And not everyone sells their items they find.

It is just another part of the game you have to play.
I bought a Clear Mind jewel for 15c others were selling it at 40c and higher, and those where at best 47% on the damage. I just had a divine orb drop and I used it on my Clear Mind, now it is 60% damage with no mana reserved. I think I can easily sell this for 1ex or more.

There are currently no Atziri's Reflection on the Market. There was only one Fated Connections on the market the other day.
There are only 3 Pandermonius on the market, this item sells for about 5ex on PC with about 100 for sale and folks are selling it for 10ex or so on xbox. This seems fair. So 100 for sale compared to 3 for sale.

I have now 2 characters to maps and only had 2ex drop for me so far, and about another ex in chaos.

Folks listed 120 fusings for 1ex, tried to buy them but got rejected, also happened when I tired to by 115 fusings for 1ex. Either they sold it already or just refused my request. It would be nice of folks to say that it was already sold then just rejecting the other offers that come in. But realistically folks do not want to do that when they get 15 offers on a sale.

So either these items are not dropping for folks or folks are not selling them.

I looked for a Jade Amulet to help out my resistances and it took me 30mins to find one but I was able to get one for 3c.

"So either these items are not dropping for folks or folks are not selling them."

or they dont have premium stash tabs so the items are not listed, but they are trying to sell via other mediums, like the xbox club or discord.

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Mrnickwan wrote:

...Your entire comment is irrelevant. Stealing is different so not comparable. I'll state again, price fixing is not against the rules. Nothing you do or say will change that. Your personal morals or ethincs have nothing to do with anything, stop trying to use them as an argument. You then go on to talk about real life and actions taken outside of the video game. You've lost it mate, you really have.

No.

The ethical implication is very clear and is built into the presentation of the Marketplace. Perhaps you can't understand that?

The Marketplace lists items offered up "for sale."

An item with a listed "price" indicates that the seller is willing to sell that item to a buyer for the specified price.

If the seller refuses to sell the item to a potential buyer who meets the item's listed price, then the seller is violating the implicitly presented terms, supposedly shared by all, of the Marketplace. This would be an "unethical" act, provided that it wasn't simply oversight or accident on the seller's part.

If they are doing so in order to personally benefit from such unethical actions at the expense of potential buyers, the source of their currency and their goal, then that would be an act of questionable morality...

It's all very simple for those who understand what such systems imply and who can empathize with other human beings.

You may, of course, attempt to justify unethical and immoral acts however you wish. But, that doesn't make such justifications valid outside of your own codes of ethical or moral behavior. And, any attempts to rationalize breaking the implied rules of the Marketplace wouldn't be ethical and may even be immoral justifications.

I think it's important to note that the in-game "Marketplace" is one of the few instances in gameplay where "strangers" frequently interact with each other. It's the only "MMO" portion of the game. (Well, asside from the small instanced "Town" hubs, but that's much more limited.)

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x Peleus x wrote:

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I looked for a Jade Amulet to help out my resistances and it took me 30mins to find one but I was able to get one for 3c.

Yes, the number of players has a definite effect on the availability of items, especially rare or good ones, and the overall health of the marketplace.

It's painfully difficult, though, as you point out, to actually find certain types of gear to fit one's needs. The search features are woefully inadequate by general PoE standards.

I searched 204 "pages" of "Jewels" the other day.

.. Two-hundred and four slow-loading pages of mostly garbage or, otherwise, things I wouldn't have had to look through if I had a choice in the matter.

I used a simple search string, the toggles provided by GGG, to help narrow down my search. But, because of the lack of more intense search parameters, I was forced to eyeball every single highlighted hit to check it for desirability... Friggin' "a" that got monotonous.

I won't even try it with Jewelry anymore. It's downright maddening to attempt to fine an item with the spec's one is looking for. "Builders" tell PC Players "just get a ring with x and x on it and an amulet with y and y on it and you're fine." Console players can't easily go out and find such items. It can literally take hours of searching using search strings and switches just to help narrow down the search. (AND, where's the "concise and easy to use guide on how to search the marketplace for console players?" Where's the comprehensive list on switches for search strings? (I really want to know.)

PS - Honestly, and a bit OT, "Bots" are the only thing keeping some Marketplace markets "alive." Bot currency sellers for my own crafting needs are the only things that have kept me sane when looking for currency items. (That and Maps.) I love the PoE marketplace bots and hope they stay around.

I dunno. There will always be "price fixers". A good example is the rigwalds quill cards every league, or what I am doing right now with windshriek death opus and various other prophecy.

Every league if you can get in early on a few decent items you can price them low during high pop times and try to low ball people or whatever. It works. Not saying it isnt underhanded but it works.

as for "30 min to find a replace amulet" I suggest refining your search, starting with online only. Then go further. For instance my vortex amulet I needed str and lightning resist. "cold damage over" "str" "to lightning" will return exactly what you need (if they exist) the filter works amazingly, but using it correctly seems something most people refuse to do

On the point of unpriced items, just offer. Offer something stupid. I've bought several ex worth of Sceptre/wand/ES gear for literally 2chaos because 90% of the time people simply don't know what it's worth. You just have to try.

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Pete Liv wrote:

I dunno. There will always be "price fixers". A good example is the rigwalds quill cards every league, or what I am doing right now with windshriek death opus and various other prophecy.

Every league if you can get in early on a few decent items you can price them low during high pop times and try to low ball people or whatever. It works. Not saying it isnt underhanded but it works.

as for "30 min to find a replace amulet" I suggest refining your search, starting with online only. Then go further. For instance my vortex amulet I needed str and lightning resist. "cold damage over" "str" "to lightning" will return exactly what you need (if they exist) the filter works amazingly, but using it correctly seems something most people refuse to do

On the point of unpriced items, just offer. Offer something stupid. I've bought several ex worth of Sceptre/wand/ES gear for literally 2chaos because 90% of the time people simply don't know what it's worth. You just have to try.

Well the thing about trade searching is that no one has put up a post on how to do it properly.

Mind you I have not search for it or even looked yet for it on line.

I tend to put in what I need say "resistance" and use ~ so that only the ones with a sale amount show up, and I use on-line only. I looked under Jade as I need Dex.

Is there a any to look for multiple stuff, like health and movement speed boots. Is there a way to look for health in the amount of at least 80 or higher. Or resistance of least 40 or higher.