[3.10] Herald of Agony Mana Guardian | 2.5 Minute Sirus 8 | Deathless T19 100% Delirium
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Really getting into this build...definitely "threading the needle" type build, but I enjoy the challenge. Have several questions for those that have experience with the build:
1) If I can fit any one of these, which would be best: Skitters, Discipline, F&S...two seem defensive, one offensive? 2) My HoA is at 25, how much more do I really need? (more dps is always welcome, but is it needed because it gets very expensive to start up-ing it) And, is lvl 31 the next break point and what gets that, +2 wand and +2 chest, and +1 amulet and lvl 21 HoA, and...? 3) If you do Lethal Pride and Rumi's, do you still need Bastion of Hope? No need in overcapping block, correct? 4) do we really need a 4th Spectre or is that just QoL? 3 with a golem works and the spectres don't really add much/any damage Thanks in Advance I have been delving and can't find a Primeval area to get the Spectres, any help? Think all I have to do is visit your hideout while you are there to Desecrate and pick up some Specs Last edited by Reactor52 on Feb 5, 2020, 6:55:12 PM
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" well i will now say that isnt true either. after playing with PoB i only lost about 400k dps. i went form 3.8m to 3.5mil (those are rough numbers the lost is between 300-400k dps) I am reffing to you top comment in the quoted area | |
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I'm learning a lot of new things about poe in this thread. What precisely isn't true in that top quote, are you claiming that there are diminishing returns on %increased damage?
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" 1 i would running skitter bots. it gives 18% damage increase. after that i would go with f/s cause it is easier to fit 2 you dont techinally need a +2chest u could get away with a +2 amulet instead (might be cheaper idk i crafted mine and got stupid lucky.) 3. i dont know the answer just didnt want to seam like i skip that question. 4. well sorta. do u need 4 spectres no cause of golem BUT BUT BUT u ahve to waste a gem slot to get the golem where if you have a lvl 25 spectre gem u would save a spot. along with the golem tended to die alot for me and the spectres dont. | |
" no im not claiming DR. i literally use my shaper/elder dps set up and that is what i got. here are the 2 pobs to make this simple. with UNWAVERING https://pastebin.com/Dh8TWtHw without UNWAVERING https://pastebin.com/JGq31rZg form what i know of the game so far. the 30% is being ADDED to the other increase damage. for example: 100% increased damage + 30% increased damage = 130% so if you have 100 damage it would be 100 damage * 130% = 230 damage NOT 100 damage *100% = 200 *30% =260damage i hope that makes sense this is the first time i am trying to explain PoE damaage things like that. im pretty sure the way i laid that out is correct if not someone other then arandan correct me (not calling you out i just would like someone outside of the convo between us to verify if i am correct or not) Last edited by mcloren91 on Feb 5, 2020, 7:10:37 PM
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" Harmony of purpose doesn't grant charges to your minions, those POBs are a complete mess. You lose 10% of your damage when you spec out of unwavering + corresponding small node. | |
" It's 30% increased attack damage, at least that's what it says on the tree ingame. While increased damage doesn't have literraly diminishing returns (30% attack damage gives as much flat dps wether you have 0% increased or 650% increased), the relative dps gain is quite different. If you have 0% increased damage, 30% increased damage is the same as 30% more damage, while if you already have 900% increased damage otherwise, it's the same as 3% more damage, which is ok but not great. And that 900% should be close to what you have (in my case, i have 887% total increased damage for Hoag at full stack). The attack speed increase however is much more significant. I personally like time of need a lot, but as i go deeper i'll probably switch to unwavering crusade. " Well that's not entierly true, you can get both flesh and stone and increased duration. There's multiple ways of doing that, you can give up faster casting, you can use an unset ring, or you can use a ring with poacher's mark on hit. " Flesh and stone also blind nearby enemies which is a nice additional layer of defense. " Ok, i didn't know that. I'm considering getting rid of pierce but i'll have to test wether projectile weakness is enought for clearing in delve. Also does someone know how does reduced curse effectiveness interact with the pierce from projectile weakness? Do projectile still pierce monsters with reduced curse effectiveness? | |
" OOOOOO see i didnt know that. i will have to do some testing then cause it for sure seams like my crawler does more when i have the charges but i will double check. also look at the post u quoted cause i updated it with a more detail explaintion of my understanding of how the numbers work in this game. and lastly all i did in those 2 PoB is remove Unwavering from 1 of the them. Last edited by mcloren91 on Feb 5, 2020, 7:15:18 PM
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" yes As far as your top paragraph - that's not how %increased damage works at all, it's additive. | |
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after some really quick testing. it seams that you are correct about the charges
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