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rojimboo wrote:
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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rojimboo wrote:
Christ, you have *ghettos*!!

Even you don't dispute this, you acknowledge it, yet in the same breath want nothing to do with quotas and offer no alternative to the problem.
I don't need to offer an alternative to ethnocommunism. It's worse than ghettoization. Shitty s it would be, doing nothing is a superior alternative.
You only say that because you haven't lived in a ghetto.
ROFL

I'm from Detroit.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:

ROFL

I'm from Detroit.


Such prejudice!

How dare he break the holy convict of the left, defrock him right this instance.

Cheers though, i had a good laugh with this.

Peace,

-Boem-

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rojimboo wrote:

To treat the cause you could look into the Nordic socialist model for instance, or just implement progressive taxation or some other 'equalisers', if you actually cared about such things.


nordic country's aren't socialist models but wellfare states based on free market economy's.
And they have very low ethnic diversity which allows for quite a lot of social stability. Not to mention the models have been critiqued already for not being sustainable long therm.
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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Boem wrote:


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rojimboo wrote:

To treat the cause you could look into the Nordic socialist model for instance, or just implement progressive taxation or some other 'equalisers', if you actually cared about such things.


nordic country's aren't socialist models but wellfare states based on free market economy's.
And they have very low ethnic diversity which allows for quite a lot of social stability. Not to mention the models have been critiqued already for not being sustainable long therm.


Well that's news to me.

1. "very low ethnic diversity results in greater social stability"

wot

What is social stability? How does the ethnic demographics of the national population affect it?

2. "not sustainable in the long term"

wot

Did you inform the Norwegians, Danes, Swedes and Finns already about this impending catastrophe? Why isn't it sustainable?
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rojimboo wrote:
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Boem wrote:


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rojimboo wrote:

To treat the cause you could look into the Nordic socialist model for instance, or just implement progressive taxation or some other 'equalisers', if you actually cared about such things.


nordic country's aren't socialist models but wellfare states based on free market economy's.
And they have very low ethnic diversity which allows for quite a lot of social stability. Not to mention the models have been critiqued already for not being sustainable long therm.


Well that's news to me.

1. "very low ethnic diversity results in greater social stability"

wot

What is social stability? How does the ethnic demographics of the national population affect it?

2. "not sustainable in the long term"

wot

Did you inform the Norwegians, Danes, Swedes and Finns already about this impending catastrophe? Why isn't it sustainable?


Do you know anything about darwins evolution theory and kinship? Else i suggest you read up on it, it's quite relevant if you wanna discuss ethnic diversity in a context of social stability.

And i said it has been critiqued for not being sustainable long-therm.
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Socialist economists John Roemer and Pranab Bardhan criticise Nordic-style social democracy for its questionable effectiveness in promoting relative egalitarianism as well as its sustainability. They point out that Nordic social democracy requires a strong labour movement to sustain the heavy redistribution required, arguing that it is idealistic to think similar levels of redistribution can be accomplished in countries with weaker labour movements. They note that even in the Scandinavian countries social democracy has been in decline since the weakening of the labour movement in the early 1990s, arguing that the sustainability of social democracy is limited. Roemer and Bardham argue that establishing a market socialist economy by changing enterprise ownership would be more effective than social democratic redistribution at promoting egalitarian outcomes, particularly in countries with weak labour movements.[65]

Historian Guðmundur Jónsson argues that it would be inaccurate to include Iceland in one aspect of the Nordic model, that of consensus democracy. He writes that "Icelandic democracy is better described as more adversarial than consensual in style and practice. The labour market was rife with conflict and strikes more frequent than in Europe, resulting in strained government–trade union relationship. Secondly, Iceland did not share the Nordic tradition of power-sharing or corporatism as regards labour market policies or macro-economic policy management, primarily because of the weakness of Social Democrats and the Left in general. Thirdly, the legislative process did not show a strong tendency towards consensus-building between government and opposition with regard to government seeking consultation or support for key legislation. Fourthly, the political style in legislative procedures and public debate in general tended to be adversarial rather than consensual in nature".[66]

In their paper "The Scandinavian Fantasy: The Sources of Intergeneration Mobility in Denmark and the U.S.", Rasmus Landersøn and James J. Heckman compared American and Danish social mobility and found that social mobility is not as high as figures might suggest in the Nordic countries. When looking exclusively at wages (before taxes and transfers), Danish and American social mobility are very similar. It is only after taxes and transfers are taken into account that Danish social mobility improves, indicating that Danish economic redistribution policies simply give the impression of greater mobility. Additionally, Denmark's greater investment in public education did not improve educational mobility significantly, meaning children of non-college educated parents are still unlikely to receive college education, though this public investment did result in improved cognitive skills amongst poor Danish children compared to their American peers. The researchers also found evidence that generous welfare policies could discourage the pursuit of higher-level education due to decreasing the economic benefits that college education level jobs offer and increasing welfare for workers of a lower education level.[67]

Nima Sanandaji, a libertarian, has also criticised the Nordic model, questioning the link between the model and socio-economic outcomes in works of his such as Scandinavian Unexceptionalism[68] and Debunking Utopia: Exposing the Myth of Nordic Socialism.


I didn't claim the end is near or anything in that fashion, so don't put words in my mouth.

And i have seen some interviews with sholars of sweden for example that the culture is highly racist and inducive of ghetto's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO9vBHZRBQ4
Example of a video on the current no-go-zones in sweden, if i remember correctly they have 55 no-go-zones of which 16 area's are considered "dangerous for public officials".

Peace,

-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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Boem wrote:


Do you know anything about darwins evolution theory and kinship? Else i suggest you read up on it, it's quite relevant if you wanna discuss ethnic diversity in a context of social stability.
Not really. What is social stability though?
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And i said it has been critiqued for not being sustainable long-therm.
Spoiler
Socialist economists John Roemer and Pranab Bardhan criticise Nordic-style social democracy for its questionable effectiveness in promoting relative egalitarianism as well as its sustainability. They point out that Nordic social democracy requires a strong labour movement to sustain the heavy redistribution required, arguing that it is idealistic to think similar levels of redistribution can be accomplished in countries with weaker labour movements. They note that even in the Scandinavian countries social democracy has been in decline since the weakening of the labour movement in the early 1990s, arguing that the sustainability of social democracy is limited. Roemer and Bardham argue that establishing a market socialist economy by changing enterprise ownership would be more effective than social democratic redistribution at promoting egalitarian outcomes, particularly in countries with weak labour movements.[65]

Historian Guðmundur Jónsson argues that it would be inaccurate to include Iceland in one aspect of the Nordic model, that of consensus democracy. He writes that "Icelandic democracy is better described as more adversarial than consensual in style and practice. The labour market was rife with conflict and strikes more frequent than in Europe, resulting in strained government–trade union relationship. Secondly, Iceland did not share the Nordic tradition of power-sharing or corporatism as regards labour market policies or macro-economic policy management, primarily because of the weakness of Social Democrats and the Left in general. Thirdly, the legislative process did not show a strong tendency towards consensus-building between government and opposition with regard to government seeking consultation or support for key legislation. Fourthly, the political style in legislative procedures and public debate in general tended to be adversarial rather than consensual in nature".[66]

In their paper "The Scandinavian Fantasy: The Sources of Intergeneration Mobility in Denmark and the U.S.", Rasmus Landersøn and James J. Heckman compared American and Danish social mobility and found that social mobility is not as high as figures might suggest in the Nordic countries. When looking exclusively at wages (before taxes and transfers), Danish and American social mobility are very similar. It is only after taxes and transfers are taken into account that Danish social mobility improves, indicating that Danish economic redistribution policies simply give the impression of greater mobility. Additionally, Denmark's greater investment in public education did not improve educational mobility significantly, meaning children of non-college educated parents are still unlikely to receive college education, though this public investment did result in improved cognitive skills amongst poor Danish children compared to their American peers. The researchers also found evidence that generous welfare policies could discourage the pursuit of higher-level education due to decreasing the economic benefits that college education level jobs offer and increasing welfare for workers of a lower education level.[67]

Nima Sanandaji, a libertarian, has also criticised the Nordic model, questioning the link between the model and socio-economic outcomes in works of his such as Scandinavian Unexceptionalism[68] and Debunking Utopia: Exposing the Myth of Nordic Socialism.


I didn't claim the end is near or anything in that fashion, so don't put words in my mouth.


First, I don't see a source, it looks like Wikipedia of some sort though?

The first paragraph seems to argue that Nordic countries aren't actually socialist enough, and they should change their free market economies. Don't really see the relevance of this.

Second paragraph is about Iceland's democratic differences. Don't really see the relevance of this.

Third paragraph is finally comparing some aspects between Denmark and the US, though the conclusions seem to favour Denmark greatly...?

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And i have seen some interviews with sholars of sweden for example that the culture is highly racist and inducive of ghetto's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO9vBHZRBQ4
Example of a video on the current no-go-zones in sweden, if i remember correctly they have 55 no-go-zones of which 16 area's are considered "dangerous for public officials".




No-go areas in Sweden are a complete myth, you should know better than trust social media fake news.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170621/no-go-zones-what-you-need-to-know-about-swedens-vulnerable-aeas
You know what I think is a good way to decrease income inequality? How about you improve the bargaining position of labor.

You know what decreases the bargaining position of labor? Importing large amounts of competing laborers. As we've been doing for decades.

Huh, whaddya know about that? Income inequality has been increasing for decades.

1990s Democrats had this shit figured out. Or I should say, they'd talk the talk, but not walk the walk.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
You know what I think is a good way to decrease income inequality?
How about progressive taxation? BOOM problem solved NEXT
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rojimboo wrote:
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
You know what I think is a good way to decrease income inequality?
How about progressive taxation? BOOM problem solved NEXT
Laffer curve says no. Try again.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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rojimboo wrote:

No-go areas in Sweden are a complete myth, you should know better than trust social media fake news.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170621/no-go-zones-what-you-need-to-know-about-swedens-vulnerable-aeas


Did you even read the article?

Or should i have used the therm "vulnerable areas" and then my point would stand, the heck.

As for the critique's, they are critique's on the sustainment of the current nordic model. The critique favoring "more socialism" as a possible solution doesn't make the current model somehow something else.

And the last critique could be considered a "bad review" for Denmark considering the tax/social returns compared to america.
If a country performs a bit better on the social front but pays 800% times the taxes then a question could be raised if that is cost efficient for the state and its citizens.

Facts remain that the labour force is going down while social benefits remain static which eventually implodes if nothing is done or a debt is made for the next generation.(there probably already is, but maybe it can be increased to prolong the system)

Peace,

-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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rojimboo wrote:
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
You know what I think is a good way to decrease income inequality?
How about progressive taxation? BOOM problem solved NEXT
Laffer curve says no. Try again.


So progressive taxation is not to boost the economy, silly, it's to reduce income inequality, two very different things. The increased revenue you would get you could invest in 'equalisers' like healthcare and education.

Even if the voodoo economics theoretical Laffer curve is taken literally, many would argue cutting taxes from the rich does not result in 'trickle down economics', thus not boosting the economy at all.

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