Minecraft creator and fellow Exile Notch banned from 10 year anniversary celebration for wrongthink
"Equality of outcome is not substantive evidence of equality of opportunity. Indeed, equality of outcome is substantive evidence that characteristics of merit have been overlooked in favor of identity-group characteristics, because the odds of groups having equal performance everywhere are infinitesimal. "You are greatly overstating the extent to which the game is rigged. This is because the belief in bigotry applied in a negative direction is used by bigots to justify their own "positive direction" bigotry to themselves. North America and Europe offer the greatest equality of opportunity in regards to race that the world has ever seen. It's not perfect, but it's reasonably close to it. We all live in a world where pro-white racism is met with social and financial ostracization, if not Antifa violence and criminalization. White supremacists are almost totally devoid of political power. Have you seen Inception? Because it's as if, about 50-70 years ago, Western culture put this idea into its head, an idea of doubt and guilt: the idea that maybe whiteness isn't all that great. And in the wake of World War 2 going into the US Civil Rights movement, that idea made sense and allowed us to see a truer world. But even after great strides forward, the idea wouldn't die. Even long past the point of utility, people act as if this idea is true. It's become poisonous. Potentially even fatal. It's as if somewhere in the collective mind of Western Civilization there is a dream, and in the dream is a house, and in the house is a safe, and in the safe is a swastika. No, that's not who you are anymore. "No, you are under the illusion that because we vehemently disagree with your proposed "solution" that we are unaware of the problem. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on May 5, 2019, 12:58:39 PM
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"It's surely no greater or worse than any other race, right? What you still don't get is that inequality exists in massive proportions in your country. Christ, you have *ghettos*!! Even you don't dispute this, you acknowledge it, yet in the same breath want nothing to do with quotas and offer no alternative to the problem. I've many times now stated I would rather there be no quotas based on income or race or some other underpriviledged criteria. Why? Because it is by definition unfair and breeds inequality. What you fail to see is that it's still preferable than the status quo of having massive inequality in society. At least it tries to address the problem, which only seemingly exists in a handful of developed countries to my knowledge. I think of Canada and Murica when I hear affirmative action. Anywhere else? Not sure. In these two cases, something messed up the equality of opportunity for certain groups of people. With time, it just got worse. So the government stepped in, rightfully so, to give some people a fighting chance. You shouldn't think you end up where you were born at, a peasant will always remain a peasant for instance. No, there needs to be a way to break through upwards in class or hierarchy in society, seeing as you will never address the actual cause of the problem, income inequality. |
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" Go watch some Thomas sowell. Peace, -Boem- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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"I don't need to offer an alternative to ethnocommunism. It's worse than ghettoization. Shitty s it would be, doing nothing is a superior alternative. "First, things are getting worse as far as class mobility goes, but let's not pretend they're utterly hopeless. Rags to riches stories still happen sometimes.  Second, racism isn't the solution to income inequality. Some white people are in poverty. Some black people are fantastically rich. You're trying to use a bigoted means to separate rich from poor. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on May 5, 2019, 3:59:57 PM
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"You only say that because you haven't lived in a ghetto. "Look poor people, it's not SO BAD! You can always win the lottery after all! *facepalm* "I don't really agree affirmative action is racist. It's an equaliser. It equalises inequalities that are present for one reason or another, due to how badly you messed up your society. Furthermore, it is a remedy for the symptom, not the cause. THe cause being massive inequality (income/wealth). To treat the cause you could look into the Nordic socialist model for instance, or just implement progressive taxation or some other 'equalisers', if you actually cared about such things. |
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"ROFL I'm from Detroit. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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" Such prejudice! How dare he break the holy convict of the left, defrock him right this instance. Cheers though, i had a good laugh with this. Peace, -Boem- edit : " nordic country's aren't socialist models but wellfare states based on free market economy's. And they have very low ethnic diversity which allows for quite a lot of social stability. Not to mention the models have been critiqued already for not being sustainable long therm. Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes Last edited by Boem#2861 on May 5, 2019, 5:05:02 PM
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" Well that's news to me. 1. "very low ethnic diversity results in greater social stability" wot What is social stability? How does the ethnic demographics of the national population affect it? 2. "not sustainable in the long term" wot Did you inform the Norwegians, Danes, Swedes and Finns already about this impending catastrophe? Why isn't it sustainable? |
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" Do you know anything about darwins evolution theory and kinship? Else i suggest you read up on it, it's quite relevant if you wanna discuss ethnic diversity in a context of social stability. And i said it has been critiqued for not being sustainable long-therm.
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Socialist economists John Roemer and Pranab Bardhan criticise Nordic-style social democracy for its questionable effectiveness in promoting relative egalitarianism as well as its sustainability. They point out that Nordic social democracy requires a strong labour movement to sustain the heavy redistribution required, arguing that it is idealistic to think similar levels of redistribution can be accomplished in countries with weaker labour movements. They note that even in the Scandinavian countries social democracy has been in decline since the weakening of the labour movement in the early 1990s, arguing that the sustainability of social democracy is limited. Roemer and Bardham argue that establishing a market socialist economy by changing enterprise ownership would be more effective than social democratic redistribution at promoting egalitarian outcomes, particularly in countries with weak labour movements.[65]
Historian Guðmundur Jónsson argues that it would be inaccurate to include Iceland in one aspect of the Nordic model, that of consensus democracy. He writes that "Icelandic democracy is better described as more adversarial than consensual in style and practice. The labour market was rife with conflict and strikes more frequent than in Europe, resulting in strained government–trade union relationship. Secondly, Iceland did not share the Nordic tradition of power-sharing or corporatism as regards labour market policies or macro-economic policy management, primarily because of the weakness of Social Democrats and the Left in general. Thirdly, the legislative process did not show a strong tendency towards consensus-building between government and opposition with regard to government seeking consultation or support for key legislation. Fourthly, the political style in legislative procedures and public debate in general tended to be adversarial rather than consensual in nature".[66] In their paper "The Scandinavian Fantasy: The Sources of Intergeneration Mobility in Denmark and the U.S.", Rasmus Landersøn and James J. Heckman compared American and Danish social mobility and found that social mobility is not as high as figures might suggest in the Nordic countries. When looking exclusively at wages (before taxes and transfers), Danish and American social mobility are very similar. It is only after taxes and transfers are taken into account that Danish social mobility improves, indicating that Danish economic redistribution policies simply give the impression of greater mobility. Additionally, Denmark's greater investment in public education did not improve educational mobility significantly, meaning children of non-college educated parents are still unlikely to receive college education, though this public investment did result in improved cognitive skills amongst poor Danish children compared to their American peers. The researchers also found evidence that generous welfare policies could discourage the pursuit of higher-level education due to decreasing the economic benefits that college education level jobs offer and increasing welfare for workers of a lower education level.[67] Nima Sanandaji, a libertarian, has also criticised the Nordic model, questioning the link between the model and socio-economic outcomes in works of his such as Scandinavian Unexceptionalism[68] and Debunking Utopia: Exposing the Myth of Nordic Socialism. I didn't claim the end is near or anything in that fashion, so don't put words in my mouth. And i have seen some interviews with sholars of sweden for example that the culture is highly racist and inducive of ghetto's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO9vBHZRBQ4 Example of a video on the current no-go-zones in sweden, if i remember correctly they have 55 no-go-zones of which 16 area's are considered "dangerous for public officials". Peace, -Boem- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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"Not really. What is social stability though? " First, I don't see a source, it looks like Wikipedia of some sort though? The first paragraph seems to argue that Nordic countries aren't actually socialist enough, and they should change their free market economies. Don't really see the relevance of this. Second paragraph is about Iceland's democratic differences. Don't really see the relevance of this. Third paragraph is finally comparing some aspects between Denmark and the US, though the conclusions seem to favour Denmark greatly...? " No-go areas in Sweden are a complete myth, you should know better than trust social media fake news. https://www.thelocal.se/20170621/no-go-zones-what-you-need-to-know-about-swedens-vulnerable-aeas |
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