ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

While I agree censorship has mostly targeted the right (and not the far right — it's not as if Richard Spencer and David Duke have been banned) in order to disguise censorship as a partiaan issue, in truth it's not particularly partisan.

Any amount of censorship is bad, and politically biased censorship is even worse.

"Publishers v. Platforms" is not a partisan argument at its core. Regardless of the direction of their bias, they shouldn't be doing it at all. The problem is that once the censorship becomes politically biased, half of Congress (and their own users) become incentivized to keep or increase the censorship.

I'm glad the issue is being pushed now, because it really only gets worse if left unchecked.

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The_Impeacher wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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Head_Less wrote:

No shit, the same goes with Putin helping Trump to win.

Trump won because Hillary was the worst candidate possible, No Russians helped with that.

Sorry, you stated that incorrectly.

The Mueller report said it was clear that Putin himself directed a systematic and consistent effort to help Trump win the election. That is not debatable. What is debatable is what factor that played in the election versus Hillary being a weak candidate. My guess is that both were important factors.

The perception of her being weak has a lot to do with the Russian government's attack. That so many feel that way is proof that Putin's efforts to help Trump and damage Hillary was indeed a success.

Perhaps, I consider her a weak candidate because
1. She got over confident and spent effort trying to expand into red states instead of visiting states she had to win like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin etc. Probably in response to Trump's threats to declare a bogus fixed election and so wanting to run-up-the-numbers.
2. She seemed to try to play it safe and let Trump self destruct instead of aggressively pushing the kitchen table issues.

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Head_less, rereading your post in The_Impeachers response, it dawns on me that perhaps the "that" you refer to was referring to Hillary rather than Trump winning the election. If so then sorry that I misread your post.

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The_Impeacher wrote:

ALL worldwide intelligence agencies agree that Putin ran an attack to assist Trump. Putin himself ADMITTED to doing it when questioned in Helsinki. Stop being lazy.

It's funny how you tell people to stop being lazy and yet you keep on falling for the muh russian collusion lie.

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Turtledove wrote:

Sorry, you stated that incorrectly.

The Mueller report said it was clear that Putin himself directed a systematic and consistent effort to help Trump win the election. That is not debatable. What is debatable is what factor that played in the election versus Hillary being a weak candidate. My guess is that both were important factors.

The Mueller probe found jack shit, Trump knew it for two years, anyone with a brain knew the same and yet all of a sudden the democrats are now turning on Mueller and espouse conspiracy theories.

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The_Impeacher wrote:

The propaganda attack was certainly enough to change a few thousand people's minds.

Agreed, the election was really very close. If just about 77,000 people in the right states had voted for Clinton instead of Trump then Clinton could have won.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/john-mccormack/the-election-came-down-to-77-744-votes-in-pennsylvania-wisconsin-and-michigan-updated

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AldarisGrave wrote:

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The_Impeacher wrote:

ALL worldwide intelligence agencies agree that Putin ran an attack to assist Trump. Putin himself ADMITTED to doing it when questioned in Helsinki. Stop being lazy.

It's funny how you tell people to stop being lazy and yet you keep on falling for the muh russian collusion lie.

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Turtledove wrote:

Sorry, you stated that incorrectly.

The Mueller report said it was clear that Putin himself directed a systematic and consistent effort to help Trump win the election. That is not debatable. What is debatable is what factor that played in the election versus Hillary being a weak candidate. My guess is that both were important factors.

The Mueller probe found jack shit, Trump knew it for two years, anyone with a brain knew the same and yet all of a sudden the democrats are now turning on Mueller and espouse conspiracy theories.

Sorry, your post was not really understandable except the first statement in your post "The Mueller probe found jack shit". So I'll try to respond to that part.

You should read the Mueller report and speak from a foundation of facts. On this one point though, the following articles are much shorter. You need only read one but I'll link multiple to let you pick.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/opinion/mueller-report-trump-russia.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/russia-investigation-will-outlast-muellers-report/588628/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/18/mueller-report-says-trump-campaign-eager-benefit-russias-interference-collusion-investigation/3379332002/

More humor from the excellent Stately McDaniel Manor blog:

https://statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.com/2019/05/25/sunday-funnies-05-26-19/













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Or you could just read the report itself and read what it says.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Turtledove wrote:

The Mueller report said it was clear that Putin himself directed a systematic and consistent effort to help Trump win the election. That is not debatable.

False. The report talks a lot more about the GRU and the IRA than about Putin.

I genuinely believe you haven't read the entire thing, but push people to read it out of a hubristic confidence that it actually says what corporatist media tells you it says. We already know you earlier had no issue repeating secondhand accounts in this thread when you incorrectly believed the report was not publicly available.

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The_Impeacher wrote:

Putin himself ADMITTED to doing it when questioned in Helsinki.

False: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/putin-trump-election-translation/565481/

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The_Impeacher wrote:

The perception of her being weak has a lot to do with the Russian government's attack. That so many feel that way is proof that Putin's efforts to help Trump and damage Hillary was indeed a success.

Again, the WikiLeaks dumps were DKIM-verifiable. What that means is you show the information from the email file to gmail.com YOURSELF and it responds AUTOMATICALLY that yes, that sender sent that email verbatim. There is no reasonable doubting the FACT that these WikiLeaks "attacks" on the Clinton campaign were truthful.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

The Mueller report said it was clear that Putin himself directed a systematic and consistent effort to help Trump win the election. That is not debatable.

False. The report talks a lot more about the GRU and the IRA than about Putin.

I genuinely believe you haven't read the entire thing, but push people to read it out of a hubristic confidence that it actually says what corporatist media tells you it says. We already know you earlier had no issue repeating secondhand accounts in this thread when you incorrectly believed the report was not publicly available.

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The_Impeacher wrote:

Putin himself ADMITTED to doing it when questioned in Helsinki.

False: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/putin-trump-election-translation/565481/

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The_Impeacher wrote:

The perception of her being weak has a lot to do with the Russian government's attack. That so many feel that way is proof that Putin's efforts to help Trump and damage Hillary was indeed a success.

Again, the WikiLeaks dumps were DKIM-verifiable. What that means is you show the information from the email file to gmail.com YOURSELF and it responds AUTOMATICALLY that yes, that sender sent that email verbatim. There is no reasonable doubting the FACT that these WikiLeaks "attacks" on the Clinton campaign were truthful.

Sorry, I misspoke, it has been common knowledge for years that Putin knew about it. He admitted in Helsinki that he, of course, wanted Trump to win.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cyber-idUSKBN1441RS

I don't remember saying the report wasn't publicly available when it was. I do maybe remembering something about not knowing that a less redacted version was available for reading by congressman but Barr would not allow copies to be made so it had to be read at the DOJ or wherever it is.

Let my try to address some potential unspoken problems you may have with me? I did see a post from you a few days back where you expressed some interest in investigating the Trump lies question and difference of opinion between us on how extensive the lying is. I didn't have time to read that whole post. I have given it some thought though. If you're interested perhaps we could explore the Washington Post list of false and misleading statements? I've poked around with it a very little bit and they have a pretty nice interface provided to access the data base. I also have an idea of the first place I'd look to try to find some entries in the list that maybe shouldn't be there?

Another potential unspoken problem is a few days ago I caught you posting something that I thought was a Trump lie. I don't even remember what it was but I should have also stated in my response that it is extremely rare for you to post things that are not factual. I know that you try hard not to and you are amazingly successful at not repeating President Trump's false and misleading statements. I apologize for not putting that in my response. I can only hope to be as accurate as you have proven yourself to be.

edit: P.S. In Helsinki, a reporter asked Putin a double question, "Did you want Trump to win and did you try to help Trump win in 2016?" Putin answered "Yes, yes" and then expanded on why he wanted Trump to win. Perhaps that is what The_Impeacher is referring to?

edit2: P.P.S. Sorry I didn't click on your link until after I added edit 1. :-)

Trump during campaign:
"No more wars, our people will not die in meaningless wars, blah blah blah, we will not escalate conflicts blah blah blah"

After 2 years:
"Lets fuck up Iran as hard as we can and possibly trigger the chain of events that will lead to WW III"

YEA, as always, the president that posed as anti-establishment is nothing more than next puppet of the establishment.


Not mentioning the hypocrisy that is obvious when you look at recent ban of Huawei. They banned them for putting spyware on their devices, but google is doing exactly the same thing with every single Android device. So I understand, that only USA can spy, yea? XD