ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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Aim_Deep wrote:
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
It wasn't a Muslim ban, Aim.
It was and wasnt. He didnt ban some did ban many. What funny he didnt ban Saudi - which some like 19/21 highjacker came not to mention a very fundamentalist whabism practiced.
More importantly, the countries on the list where a copy-paste of high-risk nations as determined by the Obama administration. The Obama Administration had already put travel restrictions on all of those countries on the original order. All Trump did was increase the severity of existing travel restrictions for nations previously determined to be security risks — for instance, going from visas requiring case-by-case approval by a senior official, to just not allowing the visa.

Yes, a lot of those were primarily Islamic countries. But that's because Bush and Obama bombed primarily Islamic countries, and it's unwise to accept travelers from countries you've recently bombed.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
It wasn't a Muslim ban, Aim.


Didn't it take three tries before your statement was true? Meaning the first two bans were ruled unconstitutional because they discriminated against Muslims?
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Turtledove wrote:
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
It wasn't a Muslim ban, Aim.
Didn't it take three tries before your statement was true? Meaning the first two bans were ruled unconstitutional because they discriminated against Muslims?
No, that's not what happened. I read the original travel ban and the first 9th circuit decision that ruled it unconstitutional. They explicitly said they did not have a First Amendment (freedom of religion) problem with it; they had a Fourth Amendment (specifically, due process) problem with it. And I completely agree with that; the original EO ordered federal government officials to deny visas to some current visa holders, legally staying and working in the US, without any official to appeal that decision to. That was truly wrong and needed fixing.

You could read the ruling yourself, you know. Best policy in an age of Fake News on both sides of the aisle.

For me, the Trump EO was a case of Fake News reality vs Actual reality forcing me into opposing positions. The fake news was that it was a Muslim ban, which I felt compelled to defend against (and still do); the reality was that it was unconstitutional for reasons completely disconnected from the popular criticism, which I tried to tell people about, but they'd keep going back to the media lies. It was, and is, very frustrating.

If you want to criticize the travel ban as an attempt to unconstitutionally attack the rights of immigrants — not Muslims, but visa holders — that's completely fair criticism.

I didn't read the second version or the second ruling, but I suspect that the Trump EO went from blatantly against the 4th Amendment to just slightly against it, and the third time was a charm.
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Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Apr 27, 2019, 12:59:07 AM
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Turtledove wrote:
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Boem wrote:

For example a study showed that a police force was stopping more black and hispanic drivers for control. So they did a study and looked at the data from night-time(when racial prejudice cannot occur, since cars are stopped before race could be identified), nothing changed in the outcomes of the data sets.


Flat out bullshit wrong. It is the exact OPPOSITE!

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Our statistical analysis of these records proceeds in
three steps. First, we assess potential bias in stop decisions by applying the “veil of darkness” test developed
by Grogger and Ridgeway [13]. The test is based on a simple observation: because the sun sets at different times
throughout the year, one can examine the racial composition of stopped drivers as a function of sunlight while
controlling for time of day. If black drivers make up a
smaller share of stopped drivers after sunset, when it is
difficult to determine a driver’s race, that suggests black
drivers were stopped before sunset in part because of their
race. In both state patrol and municipal police stops, we
find that black drivers comprise a smaller proportion of
drivers stopped after sunset, which is suggestive of racial
bias in stop decisions.



https://5harad.com/papers/100M-stops.pdf



Wow that's amazing, thats the same studie i remember from 2012.

Just like the studie i remember done in 2013 that analyzed data of 3000 active officers and concluded that 15 showed racial bias in active practice.

When can we expect data on the rise or fall of racism upon the introduction of racial bias workshops for the police force?(entered 2015 if i recall correctly?)

I don't even know if any stream of psychology backs up the workshops methods.

Peace,

-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
It wasn't a Muslim ban, Aim.
Didn't it take three tries before your statement was true? Meaning the first two bans were ruled unconstitutional because they discriminated against Muslims?
No, that's not what happened. I read the original travel ban and the first 9th circuit decision that ruled it unconstitutional. They explicitly said they did not have a First Amendment (freedom of religion) problem with it; they had a Fourth Amendment (specifically, due process) problem with it. And I completely agree with that; the original EO ordered federal government officials to deny visas to some current visa holders, legally staying and working in the US, without any official to appeal that decision to. That was truly wrong and needed fixing.

You could read the ruling yourself, you know. Best policy in an age of Fake News on both sides of the aisle.

For me, the Trump EO was a case of Fake News reality vs Actual reality forcing me into opposing positions. The fake news was that it was a Muslim ban, which I felt compelled to defend against (and still do); the reality was that it was unconstitutional for reasons completely disconnected from the popular criticism, which I tried to tell people about, but they'd keep going back to the media lies. It was, and is, very frustrating.

If you want to criticize the travel ban as an attempt to unconstitutionally attack the rights of immigrants — not Muslims, but visa holders — that's completely fair criticism.

I didn't read the second version or the second ruling, but I suspect that the Trump EO went from blatantly against the 4th Amendment to just slightly against it, and the third time was a charm.


Thank you for the correction, although the vast majority of the people impacted would have been Muslim based on where they immigrated from.
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Turtledove wrote:
the vast majority of the people impacted would have been Muslim based on where they immigrated from.
I'm not sure about that. If a country is 80% Muslim and 20% other, immigration to America from that country is probably more than 20% other.

Do you have any actual sources for that claim?
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rojimboo wrote:


The US data is biased low, as per the paper I showed, over half of hate crimes go unreported at the very least. Furthermore, not all police departments record/report hate crimes, notably many southern states.


And I showed you that underreportedness is also a problem in (at least parts of) Canada so it's not a good argument.

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rojimboo wrote:
The definition of hate crime is likely more lenient in the US.


If you claim something like that, you gotta prove it.

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rojimboo wrote:

ANd I did the math, as shown, Canada would have 9 times the number of hate crimes per capita! not 3x.


Looks like you're bad at math. It's not 9 times.

I also like the irony of you saying how you can't trust official stats because reasons but at the same time you're basing your assessement of the US being a "hive of racism" on that one event which happened 2 years ago. Just imagine having both of these thoughts in your head at the same time and not feeling any resistance lmao. Only on TDS.
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The_Impeacher wrote:

Always check if it's an 'opinion' piece. Then check if the opinion's writer is a known conspiracy theorist.

John Solomon has made up all kinds of wild tales with no basis in fact. He's essentially a fiction writer.



I bet you wrote this with a straight face which makes it even more funny. You're the gift that keeps on giving.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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faerwin wrote:


I believe the canadian reports portray a relatively accurate situation of hate crime reports even if not all of them are reported (especially true with our first nations, sadly).

However, in the context of the US, it's just impossible that there's so few hate crimes when half the reports come from 6 states. It is illogical and flawed data. As such, that data is a worthless representation of reality.


First, you have to prove that Canada is doing a better job at this than the US. You probably can't. Second, do you realize that populations between states in the US wildly differ? Arkansas, Mississippi etc are pretty small states. Just saying.

This is literally your thought process: "Mississippi must be racist as fuck those fucking hillbilly rednecks amirite" -> the data doesn't support this at all -> "the data must be false!"

Textbook bigotry imo. No wonder Canada has a problem.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
Last edited by Xavderion#3432 on Apr 27, 2019, 4:21:22 AM
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