ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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Boem wrote:

Define harassment? Because routinely stopping and searching black people in a neighbourhood where the statistics prove they commit most of the crimes is just the most effective method of discouraging and preventing crime.

This is racial profiling, which is illegal in the US.

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Boem wrote:

Ironically i interpret racism as "the stigmatising of a group", which "cops are racists" actively does, cops being the group and racism being the negative inferred label upon them.

You can interpret words to mean whatever you want them to, but I think you would fail to find a dictionary that defines racism like that.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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faerwin wrote:

the data you provided is unusable because it makes no sense that some of the most racist states have close to no report of hate crimes happening.

In other words, "Your statistics are wrong because my preconceived notions tell me a different story." How scientific of you.

No, it's wrong because they make no sense in context of the remaining statistics.

The data is incomplete and as such, is unusable.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

His sources are the US FBI and Stats Canada, the Canadian national government's statistical agency. What bias and inaccuracies are you even talking about? Do you even know what you're talking about?

Let me repeat.

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Also, for the US "In 2016, over half of all hate crimes reported to the FBI came from just six states. Only 1,776 of roughly 17,895 police agencies reported at least one hate crime. Many states with the highest percentages of African-Americans – such as Mississippi, Arkansas and Alabama – barely reported any incidents."

I believe the canadian reports portray a relatively accurate situation of hate crime reports even if not all of them are reported (especially true with our first nations, sadly).

However, in the context of the US, it's just impossible that there's so few hate crimes when half the reports come from 6 states. It is illogical and flawed data. As such, that data is a worthless representation of reality.

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MrCoo1 wrote:

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Boem wrote:

Define harassment? Because routinely stopping and searching black people in a neighbourhood where the statistics prove they commit most of the crimes is just the most effective method of discouraging and preventing crime.

This is racial profiling, which is illegal in the US.

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Boem wrote:

Ironically i interpret racism as "the stigmatising of a group", which "cops are racists" actively does, cops being the group and racism being the negative inferred label upon them.

You can interpret words to mean whatever you want them to, but I think you would fail to find a dictionary that defines racism like that.

i found very little on racial profiling laws only some suggested laws that were never passed. I did find some debates wether it is a thing or just that certain ethnic groups are more involved in crimes and as a result of that are being targeted more often by cops.(which one would expect, if they were doing a normal job?)

For example a study showed that a police force was stopping more black and hispanic drivers for control. So they did a study and looked at the data from night-time(when racial prejudice cannot occur, since cars are stopped before race could be identified), nothing changed in the outcomes of the data sets.

As for my definition, it's just a more nuanced interpretation since i use it beyond "race" groups. I'm not demanding anybody to follow my definition i just find the whole act of stigmatising a group with the label racism inherently funny and thought i would point it out for others to have a chuckle.

Peace,

-Boem-

edit : tell me why you think we should gather statistical data and then not utilize it to combat crime btw, it sort of intrigues me.
White people that want a nice and safe neighbourhood don't care if they are "stopped and required to identify themselves"
I assume the same goes for black people? Or for any citizen irrelevant of what ethnic group they belong to.

And from personal experience the identify part only happens if you act suspiciously or trigger the cops with certain behavior.(race no doubt is part of this, but so is talking back or testing them or facial/body language etc etc)

If you're told every day on every TV channel and in every movie and song that America is racist, it's hard to disbelieve it, but it's not true.

Hate crimes have risen recently (primarily anti-semitic, but I guess we're not supposed to talk about that), but they're still a nearly non-existent segment of crime by percentage. And that's to say nothing of the litany of hate crime hoaxes that we've all been watching parade in.

More people from more diverse backgrounds move here than any other country, per capita. If America was a horrible, racist ethnostate where whitey reigned supreme, why would people want to move here? The success stories of America abound, and there is zero systemic racism, zero limitations.

The reality is simple: Nobody in America gives a fuck what color you are. Pay your taxes, don't commit crimes, and do your part in making America the best country in the world.

It's a lie to call Americans racists. Race hustlers know how to ride that lie to fame and power, but they have no reality to stand on. They scare people for power, telling them that "the white man is keeping you down" and "the brown people are gonna breed you out of existence"... fuck them. Leave them behind in the dustbin of history where they belong.

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faerwin wrote:

And I showed you that the data you provided is unusable because it makes no sense that some of the most racist states have close to no report of hate crimes happening.

Data doesn't have to "make sense" to be usable and/or reliable. Anything involve quantum physics doesn't make sense at the surface level.

It doesn't make sense to visualize what a black hole looks like, since no light can escape it, yet here we are:



Stop and think about your claim "some of the most racist states have close to no report of hate crimes happening"

Even in a leftist frame of mentality, you could find some sense in this if you look at the claim again:

"some of the most racist states have close to no REPORTS of hate crimes happening.

It could also be the counterpoint - that the least obviously 'racist' states where people say the right things are the ones with the most real racists - ones who are willing to commit crimes against people they don't like, but will behave nicely in public.

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faerwin wrote:

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kolyaboo wrote:

And so it begins. Payback can be a bitch.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/440730-how-the-obama-white-house-engaged-ukraine-to-give-russia-collusion

Fake news.

Literally.

It's a far right lunatic piece of opinion.

We know who the purveyors of fake news are:

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pneuma wrote:

If you're told every day on every TV channel and in every movie and song that America is racist, it's hard to disbelieve it, but it's not true.

Hate crimes have risen recently (primarily anti-semitic, but I guess we're not supposed to talk about that), but they're still a nearly non-existent segment of crime by percentage. And that's to say nothing of the litany of hate crime hoaxes that we've all been watching parade in.

More people from more diverse backgrounds move here than any other country, per capita. If America was a horrible, racist ethnostate where whitey reigned supreme, why would people want to move here? The success stories of America abound, and there is zero systemic racism, zero limitations.

The reality is simple: Nobody in America gives a fuck what color you are. Pay your taxes, don't commit crimes, and do your part in making America the best country in the world.

It's a lie to call Americans racists. Race hustlers know how to ride that lie to fame and power, but they have no reality to stand on. They scare people for power, telling them that "the white man is keeping you down" and "the brown people are gonna breed you out of existence"... fuck them. Leave them behind in the dustbin of history where they belong.

It's fun though, like the hate-crime statistic being discussed now.

7100 hate crimes in America from the graph.

Population 328 million.

Even if it was ten times 7000, it would still be minute.

But apparently it's a raging monster in the country pervasive under and inside every nooky.

And who cares about the individuals being effected by the grouping + stigmatising in order to drive the narrative.

I remember a time when the progressives where the people who wanted the state out of their life and believed in the individual and his/her personal agency and strenth to overcome any adversity in their path.(resulting in memorable events like woodstock)

It must feel demoralizing for old progressives to see this new form it has taken on, demanding enforcement from the state to fascilitate their ideals, distancing personal accountability from themselves and fostering victim narratives for each and every group that comes knocking on the door.

I wonder how history is going to recall this progressive movement trying to put racism back on the forefront when it is at a historical low.

I have this nagging feeling they honestly believe they can "erase" racism from human existence. I hope i'm wrong on that though.

Peace,

-Boem-

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faerwin wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

I showed you the step by step guide. Just look up the official stats and do the maths if you're interested in the numbers. Something tells me you aren't and just want to ramble.

And I showed you that the data you provided is unusable because it makes no sense that some of the most racist states have close to no report of hate crimes happening.

He won't get because his statistics are apparently infallible, instead of actually unusable in inter-country comparisons.

He literally believes Sweden has the most rape in the world, and Canada the most kidnapping.

This sort of brainwashing is hard to de-program. Not sure how to go about doing that.

Kidnapping per capitanumbers might be high in Canada because of the tendency to report the abduction of a child by the "non-custodial" parent as a kidnapping instead of a domestic or custodial dispute.

In the United States, the tendency of authorities to use the "Amber Alert" for similar reasons has jaded the public response to such alerts.

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Boem wrote:

Define harassment? Because routinely stopping and searching black people in a neighbourhood where the statistics prove they commit most of the crimes is just the most effective method of discouraging and preventing crime.

Just like i would want cops to focus white people, hispanics or asians if they where the majority's commiting crimes.

After a certain period of time patrolling an area, good police officers get a sense for who seems to fit in a neighborhood and who doesn't. Whether the car is too nice or too shabby, driving too slow, or circling around the block for the fifth time - something arouses their suspicions, and they pull the person over.

I've been pulled over before for not matching the ethnicity of the neighborhood. The officer was convinced something nefarious was going on until he verified that the coworker I had dropped off (his car broke down) did live nearby.

I didn't fault the officer. Something seemed out of place to him and he was protecting the area he was employed to protect.