[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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SlickerThan wrote:

Soul Weaver ascendancy, 100% increased spectre life. It only applies to them, I have about the same as you.

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pommy2007 wrote:

3) Commander of Darkness VS Spirit Eater
I'm not sure which to run at the moment. If I used Cmd. of Darkness - I would need essence worm

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Med1umentor wrote:

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Wukufyze wrote:

First off, thanks for your input.


As for your calculations - it is unfair to group in acendancy, tree, and other enchants for TV's but not counting that for our flame golem. FG's get all of the minion tree/acendancy damage buffs that our TV's get. It basically comes down to what is more DPS, 70% increased damage or a 4th golem.

I do not get where you are getting your "spectres do not exist" statement from. If I pretended they didn't exist, I wouldn't use them at all. Again, it comes down to what is more overall DPS, which is what any one of us should be going for once we are satisfied enough with our defense.

But as far as mace vs. claw - it's 100% true that Scourge is a much better QOL item because high attack speed with whirling blades is 10x better than low attack speed with leap slam.

You are indeed got my point wrong.
First of all, all i counted here was for golems in the first place, none of this was counted for spectres (or else i would count soul weaver 100% increase damage for spectres too, but obviously, it don't applied to flame golems).
It's just the nature of calculation of DPS increase is different for clayshaper and scourge. Clayshaper don't give us increases in stats, just give us additional golems, it's equivalent to multiplicative modificator, so it's easy to calculate dps increase. 4/3=1.33. 133%, means 33% overall damage increase from flame golems as a group.
In case of scourge, that modificator is additive, that's why i need to know estimated level of other additive modificators, but i remind you that those calculations still about flame golems and not anything else.
My point about "if you forget about spectre existence", maybe i should have use different wording. "If we disregard spectres existence" would be more on point here, then yeah, clayshaper will be better than scourge for about 10%, which isn't even that much, but then we have a main point...

And the main point is - we don't even need flame golems damage. Flame golems decimate white and blue packs anyway with their aoe, and it is their only purpose. The only thing when you need damage is the boss, and on boss you can disregard flame golems existence entirely, cause they are way WAY lower in damage if compared to our burning spectres.

So now we get our conclusion, scourge not only buff ALL of ours minions (instead of only flame golem parts that don't even need this), but also not really that much worse even if we disregard our main damage dealers, which is burning spectres.

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grimjack68 wrote:

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hankinsohl wrote:

How is this build in 3.1 as compared to 3.0?

I'm interested in a tanky boss killer for Elder/Shaper/etc. If you've killed high end bosses with this build in both 3.0 and 3.1 I'd love to read about your thoughts.

Hey Hank!

It's still awesome for boss kills, as long as you aren't referring to the crazy Necro Aeigis setup we could use in 3.0.

The challenge now is in map clear speed. If you're partying with folks that have the clear speed already, you're fine. Alternatively you can:
- run a mix of TVs / SGs
- run 4 TVs and add in flame golems and primordial jewels for clearspeed
- swap TV spectres for Solar Guards

I've tried the first and third options, and for what I tend to concentrate on, I settled on the last option.

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Imurgod wrote:

I saw some elder helms with "socketed gems deal 30% MORE elemental damage" can anyone confirm this will work with spectres/golems? because it will be really OP when chaining with "minion damage" + "burning damage".

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hankinsohl wrote:

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Imurgod wrote:

I saw some elder helms with "socketed gems deal 30% MORE elemental damage" can anyone confirm this will work with spectres/golems? because it will be really OP when chaining with "minion damage" + "burning damage".

If you socket a minion skill in the helm, then linked gems in support of the minion skill that do elemental damage should benefit from the more multiplier.

Since minion damage, raise spectre/summon golem/etc do not do elemental damage - they raise minions or enhance minion damage overall - these gems should not benefit; however, something like Added Fire Damage Support should.

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Jadran wrote:

Have anyone tried Void Constructs instead of Wicker Men? They seem to have a Righteous Fire aura displayed the same way a player's works - with a huge flaming circle around them.