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How this build works in terms of clear speed. compared with solar guards ?	Posted by zeldicx#1223 on Dec 19, 2017, 4:16:19 AM Quote this Post
guide need some serious updates. shaped/elder items. golem, skeletons variations. (the lack of clearspeed) abyss jewels.	Posted by tubsi#0621 on Dec 19, 2017, 4:25:10 AM Quote this Post
" grimjack68 wrote: " FonaR007 wrote: Hey everyone, this is my first time I've reached maps since 3.0 (and second time overall). I enjoy this guide but I feel that I am too slow (slower than I could be). I am generally a slower player ( I take some time to watch on map layout, loot on the floor so that I don't miss any valuable items (I use NeverSink's loot filter) e.t.c. but I feel there is a room for improvement on my character itemization. I use 4 TVs at the moment which might be a part of the problem (though I like the speed the rares and uniques die). I tried WickerMen but I felt like it's even slower while leveling, though I might be mistaken. I tend to use flesh offering over bone offering if the mobs don't look threatening to me. I am using Purity of Elements from my amulet for additional resists I am not using animated guardian atm because I am somewhat afraid to lose it. I've also noticed that my zombies tend to die sometimes on maps despite that sweet helm I've bought. Could anyone please be so kind to take a quick look on my witchfonar character (the only one in abyss league) and make some suggestions? If that's inappropriate here to ask I can link items in my post :) Thanks <3 Your characters are set to private, so we can't see them. I've made them public, thanks for pointing out. :)	Posted by FonaR007#4449 on Dec 19, 2017, 4:30:49 AM Quote this Post
" zeldicx wrote: How this build works in terms of clear speed. compared with solar guards ? Abysmal. Don't even compare solar guards with that. Not even because this build clear speed is quite slow even by normal standarts... but because solar guards clear speed is ultra-high quality top-rated. Last edited by Med1umentor#6844 on Dec 19, 2017, 4:34:38 AM	Posted by Med1umentor#6844 on Dec 19, 2017, 4:33:10 AM Quote this Post
" Med1umentor wrote: " zeldicx wrote: How this build works in terms of clear speed. compared with solar guards ? Abysmal. Don't even compare solar guards with that. Not even because this build clear speed is quite slow even by normal standarts... but because solar guards clear speed is ultra-high quality top-rated. Sooo.. you mean that solar guards is lot better in 3.1? Maybe it is a stupid question but this is my first time as summoner :p	Posted by Ynera#3930 on Dec 19, 2017, 4:40:03 AM Quote this Post
" Med1umentor wrote: " zeldicx wrote: How this build works in terms of clear speed. compared with solar guards ? Abysmal. Don't even compare solar guards with that. Not even because this build clear speed is quite slow even by normal standarts... but because solar guards clear speed is ultra-high quality top-rated. It's only due to Wicker Man nerf. Pre-nerfed, 2x Wicker Man can deliver comparably clearspeed to SG. I wonder if anyone tried lv84 Wicker Man with 7L elder helmet (with Burning Damage, Concentrated and Minion Damage)? It may be possible? " Ynera wrote: " Med1umentor wrote: " zeldicx wrote: How this build works in terms of clear speed. compared with solar guards ? Abysmal. Don't even compare solar guards with that. Not even because this build clear speed is quite slow even by normal standarts... but because solar guards clear speed is ultra-high quality top-rated. Sooo.. you mean that solar guards is lot better in 3.1? Maybe it is a stupid question but this is my first time as summoner :p Yeah, they're ridiculously fast. Last edited by wiwigvn#7566 on Dec 19, 2017, 4:44:51 AM	Posted by wiwigvn#7566 on Dec 19, 2017, 4:44:03 AM Quote this Post
" Med1umentor wrote: Abysmal. Don't even compare solar guards with that. Not even because this build clear speed is quite slow even by normal standarts... but because solar guards clear speed is ultra-high quality top-rated. If you supplement the vanguard build with 3 fire golems you get comparable clear speed to last league while still being able to destroy end game bosses on a 5 link. Hell even if you supplement SG with 3 flame golems it significantly increases your clearspeed, most especially in maps with narrow corridors. Last edited by Purdurabo12#2497 on Dec 19, 2017, 5:50:24 AM	Posted by Purdurabo12#2497 on Dec 19, 2017, 5:09:45 AM Quote this Post
So, you suggest 3/4 solar guards? Or mix with one of the previus ones? Also with the same gems setup (the wiki suggest spellecho). Thank you in advance! Last edited by Ynera#3930 on Dec 19, 2017, 6:33:09 AM	Posted by Ynera#3930 on Dec 19, 2017, 6:32:03 AM Quote this Post
" grimjack68 wrote: For bosses with high resists / curse mitigation, despair wins by a small margin. For instance, for a 1000pt raw damage: Atziri, no curse: 700 Atziri, EW: 856 Atziri, Despair: 770 EW wins. Shaper / Guardians, no curse: 600 Shaper / Guardians, EW: 678 Shaper / Guardians, Despair: 735 Despair wins. So, technically, you should be running EW for nearly everything except guardians and shaper. Hey, you seem to know your stuff but I can't follow your math. My understanding of resist alteration is different. Let's take Shaper, I see how you get that 678 damage vs lvl 20 Ele Weakness: -39% of the curse x 20% effectiveness = -7.8% 40% natural resist becomes 32.2 % and thus 1k damage becomes 678. First question: Where is Elemental Equilibrium in that equation? Maybe I'm wrong but I'd subtract that first, so his resist after EE and EW would be 40 - 50 - 7.8 = -17.8. About Despair, I can't get to your result. Imo it should be a 5% more multiplier given the 20% curse effectiveness. Another math issue I don't get is the general consensus of a 5L Vis Mortis being superior to a rare 6L. Is that because you'd leave out Minion and Totem Resistance in that case? Else I wouldn't understand how a 4th minion (= 33% more damage) beats a 40+% more multiplier gem. Last edited by Solmyr77#1930 on Dec 19, 2017, 6:37:21 AM	Posted by Solmyr77#1930 on Dec 19, 2017, 6:36:07 AM Quote this Post
hey, i like the build so far. But i got two newb question: 1. why go for mistress of sacrifice instead army of darkness ? Is it because of the block chance from bone offering ? (i kinda dont need the movement speed from flesh offering). 2. Spirit Eater: 40% incr. dmg after a corpse is consumed Do those 40% dmg also count for minions ? 3. what are the thoughts about midnight bargain ? i know, that u cant shield charge or whirling blade, but its +1 spectre and dmg...and less life ;D cheers	Posted by 2letterz#6386 on Dec 19, 2017, 6:43:41 AM Quote this Post