[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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Gunteraz wrote:

Thanks for the reply.

I have another question, whats the consensus on the "good elder helmet vs 6 link chest" issue? Should i get 6 link vis mortis or a good helmet? If i get a good helmet i assume 6 link chest isnt really needed anymore?

Personally I like to use the helm for 3 flame golems to make up for the TV/wicker nerfed clear speed. Tv also completely destroy bosses on a 5 link and so there is no rush to get them on a 6 link.

So... What's the current setup for going with TV/WM let's say in t10+ maps ?

2 WM + 2TV or 1WM + 3TV ?

I feel like i'm slow when running maps, I always have to wait a bit around each pack for them to melt. I don't have gems 20 yet (or any quality, also don't have the scrouge). Not quite sure what i could be doing wrong :(

I personally just whirling blades through a couple packs, use convocation, stand there a sec, then repeat. Seems to clear pretty quick.

Also 1 WM + xTV is the optimal setup so i've been led to believe.

I had been running 1 WM and 3 TV for a while. My WM died at some point (stupid chopper traps) so I just grabbed another TV and haven't really noticed the loss.

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RandomHero13 wrote:

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grimjack68 wrote:

Despair for the primary curse. If you get an additional curse amulet, add in either flammability or elemental weakness if you're going for pure damage output.

why despair? isn't "-resistance" the same as "+dmg taken" and so the "+25 dmg taken" is less than "-44% fire res" (burning is affected by resistances but not penetration) (as long as the monster isn't way overcapped)?

For bosses with high resists / curse mitigation, despair wins by a small margin. For instance, for a 1000pt raw damage:

Atziri, no curse: 700
Atziri, EW: 856
Atziri, Despair: 770
EW wins.

Shaper / Guardians, no curse: 600
Shaper / Guardians, EW: 678
Shaper / Guardians, Despair: 735
Despair wins.

So, technically, you should be running EW for nearly everything except guardians and shaper.

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Korrikalari wrote:

What do you use to stack block? Or do Shield+Offering+Amulet reach 70/70? If not, where should I look for block.

Also if you could add a part in the guide with Shaper/Elder crafted items to look for would be nice, since they look very strong ( some at least ), thanks.

Those three, plus

generally put you high enough. If you drop Advancing Fortress for The Scourge, add

or

or both. :)

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Sternburgerr wrote:

Yo!

So i just slotted in spell echo with my flame sentinals and i am not noticing a difference? When i raise them, the spell echos, but i dont notice a difference in their attacks.

Count the laser hits. :)

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Gunteraz wrote:

Thanks for the reply.

I have another question, whats the consensus on the "good elder helmet vs 6 link chest" issue? Should i get 6 link vis mortis or a good helmet? If i get a good helmet i assume 6 link chest isnt really needed anymore?

I'm sure you mean, which one should you get *first*. :)

I'm heading for a setup where I can put a flame golem - or two - in a good elder helm, an Animated Guardian in a Hungry Loop ring, and continue running Spectres from the main chest piece. I suspect that a 5L Vis Mortis and a good elder helm will produce about the same dps output from spectres... but I haven't actually run the math.

Personally, I'd invest in whatever is the cheapest option on the market when I'm looking to buy.

My 2 sg + 2 tv combo setup works extremely well. Though I must say I'm spoiled by 4 SG clearspeed, 2 SG in 5L is enough to generally fast clear all maps and combined with 2 6L TV, bosses are not a problem. No need to fit flame golems into my build.

I'm running a similar variant with solar guards and these

Along with 2 fragility, I get permanent rampage and onslaught. Pretty nifty. In this build, block is just another layer of defense along with everything else. I may grab an alternate set for bossing. I only have a 5l right now but things are running smooth. I will probably go for a 6l chest soon and run 5B 1g and swap to tukohama for hard boss fights like shaper and whatnot. Haven't tried elder guardians. I'm still debating between whirling and shield charge, coming from flame dash I feel whirling is more responsive but it looks like shield charge is faster? Also, does anyone have any experience with clearing high tier bosses with solars in hc? I'm only on t10 - t11 been trying to flush out my atlas without having to buy maps.