[3.9] Windz's Generic Miner Sabo (Arc/Pyroclast focused)

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droodic wrote:

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windz wrote:

tabula is better

brightbeak (faster) or princess for dmg

With brightbeak I do 100less dps than my shitty level 32 wand lol (im like 40rn)
I only use traps so what's the attack speed from brightbeak used for? not sure i understand how its better

faster shield charge. Use princess or anything that gives u dmg to gc

why no lavianga spirit?

I tried yesterday Uber Atziri and I must say I failed hard at first boss that I dont even know what really happened.

My tooltip dps in hideout with only hatred shows 44 033 damage. With Atziri flask 53 700.

I dont know if my level was too low or the dps is too low for this but when first Vaal emerged with 10 mines up and spamming another, diamond/atziri flasks up I took maybe 5-10% hp of the first Vaal.

And well lets just say I managed to get them only to around 40% hp before I waasted all portals. Fight was extremely long and I was feeling like I have 10k dps and not 50k.

I was feeling really bad after this because except trio those fights are really good for miners when you can setup mines before the bosses emerge.

Did I had some damage reduction due being only lvl 85 or just simple 50k is not enough and I overestimated my damage for this fight?

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Asag wrote:

I tried yesterday Uber Atziri and I must say I failed hard at first boss that I dont even know what really happened.

My tooltip dps in hideout with only hatred shows 44 033 damage. With Atziri flask 53 700.

I dont know if my level was too low or the dps is too low for this but when first Vaal emerged with 10 mines up and spamming another, diamond/atziri flasks up I took maybe 5-10% hp of the first Vaal.

And well lets just say I managed to get them only to around 40% hp before I waasted all portals. Fight was extremely long and I was feeling like I have 10k dps and not 50k.

I was feeling really bad after this because except trio those fights are really good for miners when you can setup mines before the bosses emerge.

Did I had some damage reduction due being only lvl 85 or just simple 50k is not enough and I overestimated my damage for this fight?

1. You got no 100% conversion either via 40% gc helm enchant or 2 x long winter jewels added to your passive tree which means you ain't doing 100% cold damage, part of your damage is physical.

2. Multi mod that dagger already with spell crit, spell damage and crit multi.

3. If you're at 44k dps in hideout w/o flask, you should be able to get more value with a Yoke of suffering amulet vs your own rare one.

4. Your abyss is well... abysmal for this build. Get some with crit multi, life and 2% ele pen if you havn't killed. This simply translate to a perma cold pen against bosses or anything that have cold resistance.

5. You're not even using FrostBomb.... You do realize the less resistance and the more elemental penetration you have = to non tooltip damage multiplier right? Also please, do yourself a favour, you don't need 2 golems.. flame golem blows, that damage is gives, means jackshit. Stick with earth golem.


6. Born in the Shadow Ascendency. That is all, either ditch explosive expert or demolition Specialist. I ditch demo specialist because I prefer explosive expert.

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Ah, the Frozen Trail Jewels! That's what I was missing.

Since I just got the Uber enchant on my helm, swapping out my jewels semi-permanently should be a low hassle move ;-). Thanks.

Update: Tested out on an Elder Colosseum Map with Player Enfeeble and Goatmen...worked like a charm taking down those offscreen Goatmen and Null Portals. Good stuff.

Glad I could help.

Hey can anyone help me out, I'm doing the LL GC and i'm currently at 40k dps in ho without flask and 6.8k shield but I don't understand how to get up to 9k shield :/

Edit : I've done the newest changes and got to 7k shield

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ShadowGenisys wrote:

1. You got no 100% conversion either via 40% gc helm enchant or 2 x long winter jewels added to your passive tree which means you ain't doing 100% cold damage, part of your damage is physical.

2. Multi mod that dagger already with spell crit, spell damage and crit multi.

3. If you're at 44k dps in hideout w/o flask, you should be able to get more value with a Yoke of suffering amulet vs your own rare one.

4. Your abyss is well... abysmal for this build. Get some with crit multi, life and 2% ele pen if you havn't killed. This simply translate to a perma cold pen against bosses or anything that have cold resistance.

5. You're not even using FrostBomb.... You do realize the less resistance and the more elemental penetration you have = to non tooltip damage multiplier right? Also please, do yourself a favour, you don't need 2 golems.. flame golem blows, that damage is gives, means jackshit. Stick with earth golem.


6. Born in the Shadow Ascendency. That is all, either ditch explosive expert or demolition Specialist. I ditch demo specialist because I prefer explosive expert.

1. I heard Long Winter is pretty weak compared to crit multi jewels thats why I did not invest into them. I have in my stash this helm:



Would be better to try luck with spamming lab runs on this helm or just go for no shaped already enchanted helms (like starkonja)? Shaped helms with this enchant are out of my budget.

2. Fixed that, was waiting for my Elreon to hit lvl 8 but used just crafting service, got meh rolls tho :(


3 and 4. Changed jewel to life/crit multi/pen and also changed amulet to Yoke. 45k tooltip dps with tabula, 34k with the helm. Im not sure if PoB can show me real numbers here so I can see whats really better.

5. Yeah, never really used Flame Golem, was just sitting here. Its kinda hard to fit another cwdt frost bomb link, I like to have shield charge and warp, immortal call with enfeeble also hard to remove. Maybe when I will change to helm + 5L Loreweave (probably never gonna 6L it, 1200 fuses and like 12x 5L and 0 6L) I will have more room for this.

6. Fixed, I was thinking about getting Pyromaniac and Born in the Shadows but ended with Demolitionist because was following one guy setup. BitS looks safer and dmg boost is not bad also.

i highly recommend this build , i played this game long time ago , then came back to play it a bit more seriously in 3.1 , i tried alot of builds , and i can guarante that this build is really excelent to melt all the content , and is very relaxed / chill gameplay , you can start with budget and min max it to see yr mine damage get high , this is my current build i tried my best to min max it , but cannot do it to the max since i'm still new , can someone help plz? ( i use an elder jewele that convert 40% of phys damage to cold :)

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Asag wrote:

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ShadowGenisys wrote:

1. You got no 100% conversion either via 40% gc helm enchant or 2 x long winter jewels added to your passive tree which means you ain't doing 100% cold damage, part of your damage is physical.

2. Multi mod that dagger already with spell crit, spell damage and crit multi.

3. If you're at 44k dps in hideout w/o flask, you should be able to get more value with a Yoke of suffering amulet vs your own rare one.

4. Your abyss is well... abysmal for this build. Get some with crit multi, life and 2% ele pen if you havn't killed. This simply translate to a perma cold pen against bosses or anything that have cold resistance.

5. You're not even using FrostBomb.... You do realize the less resistance and the more elemental penetration you have = to non tooltip damage multiplier right? Also please, do yourself a favour, you don't need 2 golems.. flame golem blows, that damage is gives, means jackshit. Stick with earth golem.


6. Born in the Shadow Ascendency. That is all, either ditch explosive expert or demolition Specialist. I ditch demo specialist because I prefer explosive expert.

1. I heard Long Winter is pretty weak compared to crit multi jewels thats why I did not invest into them. I have in my stash this helm:

Would be better to try luck with spamming lab runs on this helm or just go for no shaped already enchanted helms (like starkonja)? Shaped helms with this enchant are out of my budget.

2. Fixed that, was waiting for my Elreon to hit lvl 8 but used just crafting service, got meh rolls tho :(

3 and 4. Changed jewel to life/crit multi/pen and also changed amulet to Yoke. 45k tooltip dps with tabula, 34k with the helm. Im not sure if PoB can show me real numbers here so I can see whats really better.

5. Yeah, never really used Flame Golem, was just sitting here. Its kinda hard to fit another cwdt frost bomb link, I like to have shield charge and warp, immortal call with enfeeble also hard to remove. Maybe when I will change to helm + 5L Loreweave (probably never gonna 6L it, 1200 fuses and like 12x 5L and 0 6L) I will have more room for this.

6. Fixed, I was thinking about getting Pyromaniac and Born in the Shadows but ended with Demolitionist because was following one guy setup. BitS looks safer and dmg boost is not bad also.

A crit multi jewel cannot compare to long winter, dps wise on paper the long winter loses out but in actual fact if you do not run full conversion you end up gimping your actual true damage. If you had 40% GC cold conversion on your helm as an enchant or via passive tree (not recommended as it takes too many points) or via a 40% cold conversion Watcher's eye then YES, the statement about the crit multi jewels hold true. A lot of people look at their tooltip dps and probably the reason you've seen stuff about long winter being bad.

We use long winter for 1 and only 1 reason. To get full conversion to COLD damage. Now the thing about my way of gearing is synergy between all my items. Going full cold damage lets you do more damage with elemental penetration/Cold penetration in our case and on top of that allows you to do more damage via yoke of suffering which shocks enemies via our elemental damage, naturally, zero physical damage from full conversion means more cold damage=better shock through Yoke.
This damage isn't reflected on my tooltip, eg. with 2 x long winter I'm at 65k tooltip atm, if i remove that and put 2 crit multi I'll get more tooltip damage but ends up doing less damage overall because I've got 41% cold pen and only 60% of my damage will go through as cold and only 60% of my current cold damage will shock bosses which overall results in a rather shitty shock multiplier against bosses. Also it makes your passive tree rather worthless since your damage is being split between cold and physical instead of your physical portion being converted and added to your cold damage with 100% conversion. That is why conversion is so important for this build.

Also for 5. Frost is used to decrease cold resist and to reduce/remove life regen so you can have it on your skill bar and self cast it when needed, e.g. pre-setup to Shaper/Uber Trio, just drop your totem + mines and frost bomb then lure + kill. Pretty easy.

just to add some important tips , use : timetwist ( temporal chain mod maps) , dream fragments ( if you want to avoid shaper penetration - but THIS ISNT MANDATORY you can use res - hp opal ring near to the essence worm ) , ming's heart with 5% reduced life ( and 5% in energy if you want) this ring is very powerfull if you wanna make sure to not die vs rare CHIMERA boss snakes or if you want to try chayula ) put them down in yr inventory with conc effect , have fun :)