maximum es i had on my old WI build was 8/9k :') probally now would end up with 5kish? like no way i will play es chars again :') now life is much better since vp only works with life now xD and life gets a boost so berserker here i cum xD
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Quoting this here if anyone's going to bother read it:
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Anyone can get 12K ES without godly gear and with a very minimum tree investment. People keep comparing low/average-ES gear chars with low tree investment (just the big ES nodes) and their 12K ES with people that invested way over half their tree in getting life or moving form one life cluster to the next, and are still under 7K without Kaom's Hearth.
No actually they cant without godly gear.
Please tell me how this is only 'minimum tree investment' into ES:
With Occultist ES things, level 20 Discipline, and the following 'average' gear (the chest was donated, years of rolling ES chests and I never personally got more that 550 ES on a vaal regalia):
260+ ES hat not equipped as I needed a lower one with resists, but even with that I havnt reached 9k ES, Im sat around 8.7-8.9k. Staff build so no shield too.
I do call that little investment. There are only 17 nodes on the tree which increase maximum energy shield. Equipment is also not good ES...not a single part of it and you still have about 9k ES.
I have 27 nodes that increase life and would say that i got a lot of life on gear and I am still sitting on less than 6k life. (I am not complaining, it's enough and i don't think life based builds should get buffed.
I like that you are making energy shield more accessible and at the same time less extreme.
Removing more modifiers to energy shield behind CI doesn't seem to me neccessary together with all other changes. Yes, CI grants you chaos resistance, but chaos damage is rather rare type of damage and in my opinion it should be like that. I don't see anything wrong about having more noticible advantage behing CI for investment to compensate hybrid or low life advantages.
Change to vaal pact will cause people to play only life based builds. As long as instant leech will exist together with other punishing mechanics like reflect it still will be the most preferable defense mechanic no matter what.
I don't like nerfing discipline because it allows energy shield based builds smoothly progress even with worse gear similar way as life based builds get life every level.
Other than that new mods and changes looks good. Looking forward to see how it will go.
I simply don't know what to say........ after all those years the first act of balancing that is actually balancing things in the right way......... I'm so happy I could hug strangers in a shopping mall.........
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Also, 12k life is not realistic, since it requires you to use legacy kaoms (200+ ex), or regular kaom's for around 10k-ish. That means sacrificing a 6l chest slot! While CI with a max rolled 1k es chest still had that 6L.
Seriously?! What I want to say is FUCK YOU! ES is strong and life is weak? hmmmmm, let's make them both weak! AWESOME LOGIC! GGG what the fuck wrong with you?!
Of course the people that play standard (who usually play league) will go back to the league as soon as the league refreshes...
Also, I quoted lower numbers for ES (not just the 25K number). Look at builds running hybrid and low-life setups for gods sake... they are barely achieving the base ES numbers that I quoted (with extremely expensive gear, as well). GGG are potentially trashing that whole sector of build choices.
Really what it boils down to is that if life and ES have equal health pools... life wins every time because you can also heal with flasks...
They just need to bite the proverbial bullet and introduce an ES flask that heals the same way as life.
If ES cannot insta-leech and use flasks, then life builds with the same health pool are going to destroy the meta. Don't forget those life builds will also have armor/evasion on their gear in addition to being able to use the damn flasks...
P.s. - Yes you can build ES with armor/evasion on gear, but that is ludicrously expensive even in the mid-range of gear. Look at the average player... Those builds will be diminished in comparison to getting 150+ life on gear with high armor/evasion numbers.
Well, that's where our differing expectations come in, I guess. I expect this change to bring life and ES a little closer, but ES will still be able to reach significantly higher eHP pools than life (just not ridiculously higher).
Also, introducing an ES flask will do away with one of the most meaningful differences between life and ES (no, Corruscating Elixir doesn't count as already having done that). Not to mention that ES recharges rapidly after a few seconds anyway, unlike life.
Also, 12k life is not realistic, since it requires you to use legacy kaoms (200+ ex), or regular kaom's for around 10k-ish. That means sacrificing a 6l chest slot! While CI with a max rolled 1k es chest still had that 6L.
I for one welcome these changes.
So you think that 25k ES Gear is for 1 ex? it worth much more than Legacy kaom. so STFU
Ok so... Some input from me, for the little that is worth to anyone reading but, more importantly, GGG as one of their players.
I have played this game for 4 years I think (I lose track) essentially I am an avid addict, like most of the player base I appreciate the diversity and ability to change small things, reflecting in a better, or worse outcome for the character. I appreciate the games mechanics that drive me forward to create a better character. My point is that I think I have a basic understanding of the nuances of the game and any I am missing I look forward to finding out.
Or at least that was the case.
I see a worrying trend that is being implemented prior to Xbox arrival. THe dumbing of the game and worse yet the need to find perfect parity (to make things easier to understand?)
Having read this 'Idea' and lets face it that is all it is currently, I am left numb, inert, even speechless, that this could get past an amusing chat over the urinals, ' Hey Chris could you imagine for one second if we Nerfed Es ?'
' *Chuckle* Yer Bex the players would wrap themselves up in the simplicity of Life and be more content'.............
I mostly play life based builds for the record, when I do attempt an Es based build I have yet to ever get over 10k Es pool, I am not in the top 2 % of people that do. Your choice to Nerf Es is based on a few streamers godly ES pool (Please feel free to enlighten both myself and others if i am incorrect) why then am i so upset?
Strictly speaking this Nerf shouldn't really effect me, however I am in the minority, ES builds allow most to actually get into the endgame fights and remain alive. 12-13k Es seems to me to be the viable pool required to get you past tier 16 fights and the endboss fights (Ignoring your Queen)
Life based builds required a buff not the other way round, it's so evident to me, how can you guys be so blind. Most life base builds top out at around 7k ish if you want to do anything other than wear Koams and tickle the mobs feet. We all know 7k can still get you one shot and is not viable in HC for the endgame.
You are making very poor decisions based on the few that are going to impact the many that love the game.
(IF you implement this change you will kill the game for 75% of the existing players)
I completely disagree. For starters, i did shaper/uber/T15 maps and everything "hard" i know in this game with an ES build which had 8k ES. No problems there, even without ES instant leech (used recovery).
I honestly think that the game has become to easy. In the beginning, you needed understanding of the game and SKILL. Nowadays, it's super easy to clear all content of the game (at least that's the way i feel).
What drives me the most in this game is the challenge to complete all content with my builds...and this sadly became to easy.
I like the nerf and i don't think the life-based builds should get buffed.
(I do understand that for HC this might be different. I only play SC (mostly because my internet sucks and i have several disconnects a day.).)
So you played a miner? Really doesn't need an answer but one build one playstyle doesn't negate the need for a higher pool to make up for the lack of phy mitigation or evade that you might have on a non ES based defense.
About Evasion: You cant rely on that. It's a nice stat, however you still die if you get unlucky (or not lucky^^). Armor is useless, we all know that.
Yes, i played a miner and its broken, no need to defense that.
Before it was a freezing pulse char which I struggled to get enough mana regen/leech and thats why i respeced it. Was able to do the T15 maps well with about 8k ES.
A friend plays a summoner, 8k ES and doing all content (yeah i know its a summoner).
Another friend plays totem, 7k ES and is doing all content (i know, similar to a summoner).
Another is playing a bow build (dont know exactly what spell) and is doing good with 9k ES.
Anyways, of course these are only my personal observations. I still like the changes.
