Energy Shield and Life

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foosis wrote:

I agree with the keystone changes, but GGG seems to base their planning around some weird assumptions. Let's emphasise the following points:

- Getting a 25k ES build is roughly as hard as getting a 14.5k life build.
Both have been demonstrated and both can only be afforded by a vanishingly small portion of the player base.
So if you quote 25k ES, you should also quote 14.5k life. More commonly is 12k ES vs 6k life for well geared, experienced players.

- 2k ES corresponds to 1k life.
Life builds tend to have around 50% baseline phys mitigation, higher block and evasion, and in practice have a significantly easier time getting additional defense mechanisms (conversion, more endurance charges, often AA and Fortify, ...). And let's not forget flasks.

For example, I have a 6.7k life Berserker and a 13.8k ES Occultist (dozens of ex invested, and I'm playing since open beta, so they're well built): both are about equal in tankiness and roughly similar in dps/clearspeed (different strengths/focus).
And my 10.5k life RF char is extraordinarily tanky (much more than the 13.8k ES Occultist) without having leech, while my lvl 89 6k ES support summoner is about as squishy as a lvl 60 3k life test build I've tried recently.
I think most experienced people will agree that the bolded point above holds.

Now with these changes, ES for most players will be significantly crappier without making up for it in any other way. Guess I'll play more life then, and hope build variety goes up again after it has been slashed right now.

Life is currently fine, and 95% of the ES builds as well, with the notable exception of those streamer clearspeed cookie-cutter-meta chars (that do tend to get copied a lot).
The main problem seems to be ES leech. Nerf Ghost Reaver and, if you want, CI. (btw: IMO Vaal Pact is currently OP for life based builds because I recover 700-1000% life per second, but I do enjoy playing them, so nothing to see here, please move on)
But the nerfs to ES affixes and Discipline are over the top, and IMO even unnecessary.

Although given GGG's infamous stubbornness, I did just buy 9 "cheap" 750+ ES chests on poe.trade :>

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Reductions to levels of Energy Shield
All local Energy Shield modifiers on items, as well as the base Energy Shield of items, have been reduced at higher levels. Very low-level items will see a slight increase or no change, scaling up to a 33% reduction at the highest tier of modifiers.

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Fritso wrote:

To anyone saying 25k-ish ES is impossible, see what could be accomplished with max ES investment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4u7K-q3xwo

Also, 12k life is not realistic, since it requires you to use legacy kaoms (200+ ex), or regular kaom's for around 10k-ish. That means sacrificing a 6l chest slot! While CI with a max rolled 1k es chest still had that 6L.

I for one welcome these changes.

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hellookit wrote:

Since ES leching is removed....
why not giving a "faster Start of Energy Schield Recharge 50% or such"....

you get enough "increased Energy Shield Recharge Rate" in the passive tree

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666lol666 wrote:

Dear GGG,

I simply don't know what to say........ after all those years the first act of balancing that is actually balancing things in the right way......... I'm so happy I could hug strangers in a shopping mall.........

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Oxygene_PoE wrote:

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foosis wrote:

I agree with the keystone changes, but GGG seems to base their planning around some weird assumptions. Let's emphasise the following points:

- Getting a 25k ES build is roughly as hard as getting a 14.5k life build.
Both have been demonstrated and both can only be afforded by a vanishingly small portion of the player base.
So if you quote 25k ES, you should also quote 14.5k life. More commonly is 12k ES vs 6k life for well geared, experienced players.

- 2k ES corresponds to 1k life.
Life builds tend to have around 50% baseline phys mitigation, higher block and evasion, and in practice have a significantly easier time getting additional defense mechanisms (conversion, more endurance charges, often AA and Fortify, ...). And let's not forget flasks.

For example, I have a 6.7k life Berserker and a 13.8k ES Occultist (dozens of ex invested, and I'm playing since open beta, so they're well built): both are about equal in tankiness and roughly similar in dps/clearspeed (different strengths/focus).
And my 10.5k life RF char is extraordinarily tanky (much more than the 13.8k ES Occultist) without having leech, while my lvl 89 6k ES support summoner is about as squishy as a lvl 60 3k life test build I've tried recently.
I think most experienced people will agree that the bolded point above holds.

Now with these changes, ES for most players will be significantly crappier without making up for it in any other way. Guess I'll play more life then, and hope build variety goes up again after it has been slashed right now.

Life is currently fine, and 95% of the ES builds as well, with the notable exception of those streamer clearspeed cookie-cutter-meta chars (that do tend to get copied a lot).
The main problem seems to be ES leech. Nerf Ghost Reaver and, if you want, CI. (btw: IMO Vaal Pact is currently OP for life based builds because I recover 700-1000% life per second, but I do enjoy playing them, so nothing to see here, please move on)
But the nerfs to ES affixes and Discipline are over the top, and IMO even unnecessary.

Although given GGG's infamous stubbornness, I did just buy 9 "cheap" 750+ ES chests on poe.trade :>

I like your point of view on the 'ES - issue'. Looks like we are playing the same game.

I know it might be a bit nasty to point out: which game is GGG playing?
TWITCH.tv metastreamers pocket edition?