Energy Shield and Life

Quoting this here if anyone's going to bother read it:

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bhavv wrote:

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Kaemonarch wrote:

Anyone can get 12K ES without godly gear and with a very minimum tree investment. People keep comparing low/average-ES gear chars with low tree investment (just the big ES nodes) and their 12K ES with people that invested way over half their tree in getting life or moving form one life cluster to the next, and are still under 7K without Kaom's Hearth.

No actually they cant without godly gear.

Please tell me how this is only 'minimum tree investment' into ES:

Spoiler

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAMBAAMeBUINfA5ID8QRDxEvEVARlhNxFX4V1xcvGkgbJR0UHU8d2R9BIG4qCypTKwosnCy_LR81uTt8PvFBckGWQ1RGcUlRSi5LrkyzUDBV1lZjWK5Z81xrXfJepV8qYpVknWTnZlRmnm0Zb55wUnIPdFV3B3_GgKSDCYRIhq6HE4hCidOMNox2jmSPRo_6knSTJ5RvlSCbUZuhnKSexKEvoqOnK6elrJius7JwtAy2-rcxuMq7_LyavorBxcHzw23G98rT0B_Q9dWL2VvbXt-K6QLquuv17Bjv6_DV8h30KPRx96b31_rS

With Occultist ES things, level 20 Discipline, and the following 'average' gear (the chest was donated, years of rolling ES chests and I never personally got more that 550 ES on a vaal regalia):

260+ ES hat not equipped as I needed a lower one with resists, but even with that I havnt reached 9k ES, Im sat around 8.7-8.9k. Staff build so no shield too.

Why people keep saying that without Vaal Pact there will be NO way to regain ES?

Llife leech was not yet removed from the game, so what's your problem? Oh, i think i'm getting it - you won't be able to fecetank everythg that not 1-shots you. In your world tnhat means unplayable? Nice.

Why people keep saying that ES chars can't mitigate physical damage?

Fortify, Granit, Basalt Flasks, Arctic Armour are not yet removed from the game. Oh, that means that you need to replace your precious dps flasks and drop one offencive aura. Thats unplayable, for sure. Thtats fucking unspeakable!

While it's hilarious seeing all these meta HoWA slaves crying their eyes out, because they can't play "THEIR" builds (as in copy-pasted straight off the forum without one slight change, lmfao) anymore, I think the changes are a bit too much. The removal of the effect of Vaal Pact for ES was definitely needed, but the ES reduction is probably too much. Let's be real, how many people have a 25k ES build, very few, it's naive to use them as the standard. I don't have too much experience with ES, but to me it seems the standard is more between 8.5k and 12k. If these 8/9k ES builds were reduced to 7.2k ES and these 12k builds to 9k, combined with more life buffs, that'd be enough, I think.

this is bulshit if this come to poe I will stop playing wtf ggg are you so stupid

hi there

at first sight i dont like the idea about nerfing es
but in the end ggg will will make it playable (i hope)

the thing i really dont like is more legacy items...
nerfing es affixes on items but leaving the allready existing bases as they are
will just make people with mirror services on standard (oh yes there is standard and believe it or not it controls the market)more healthier
also there is no reason for people to craft top es items as there no way to touch these legacy already existed versions...

anyway ,
you could just buff life a bit and rework some es mechanics

7k life is not the same as 7k es
7k life + armor or eva or both
7k es is 7k es with most of the times 0 armor or eva etc

i could say more but i am not a novel writer :P

thx and hf

I'm sorry but this is such a bad way to "balance" if you could even call it that. I don't know how you get your data but the average ES player never reaches 25k ES at most maybe 11k and now with this nerf those of us who reached 10-11k ES at most are screwed , our builds are now unplayable. Support builds are dead thx to this.... Why not bring life base builds up par with es. As of now life is still bad and ES worse with these nerfs. You have killed in one swoop so many builds. Why base these nerfs on CI builds when there's so many ES builds that aren't CI. I enjoyed playing support to help my fellow guildies now that is not gona happen. You keep pushing the solo playing in every freaking nerf and change you do. All you need to do is bring life to same standard as ES and not nerf ES to the freaking ground. Common GGG get a grip and do better.

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maxkardinal wrote:

Why people keep saying that without Vaal Pact there will be NO way to regain ES?

Llife leech was not yet removed from the game, so what's your problem? Oh, i think i'm getting it - you won't be able to fecetank everythg that not 1-shots you. In your world tnhat means unplayable? Nice.

Why people keep saying that ES chars can't mitigate physical damage?

Fortify, Granit, Basalt Flasks, Arctic Armour are not yet removed from the game. Oh, that means that you need to replace your precious dps flasks and drop one offencive aura. Thats unplayable, for sure. Thtats fucking unspeakable!

THAT ^^ +1

While focusing on pure ES+damage, players DO forget basic things, THAT ARE/WILL be in PoE for all players, and for ES too :D

Well done GGG. Maybe these suggested changes will result in players trying different defenses rather than just going Chaos Inoculation with Vaal Pact.
It may also get players to thinking about other ways to fight bosses other than face-tanking. I like the idea of better armour for hybrid builds and extra modifiers on rare armours, personally I like the thought of rare armour being better than a few uniques. Life doesn't need a huge buff in line with the state of Energy Shield as that would just result in power-creep.

As for the feedback in this thread it seems the majority are just reacting negatively without thinking about what was posted by Rory. To those people who are saying GGG are bad at balancing or don't know their game I'd like to say GGG know everything about their game, much more than you'll ever know.

Since vaal pact is life-based, shouldn't it be moved to the more life heavy parts of the tree?

Fall of the ESbuilds