Energy Shield and Life

I feel like this could have been handled so much better by just giving ES dimishing returns. Nerfing the extremely high EHP builds while leaving "balanced" chars alone. As this stands, a lot of chars are outright unplayable, because they haven't stacked obscene ES.

Great Manifesto!

Overall it looks good, but I have a few questions and thoughts.

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Rory wrote:

Ghost Reaver
This keystone had a huge downside for characters specialized in both Life and Energy Shield, as they could no longer leech any life, but had no penalty for pure Energy Shield Chaos Inoculation characters. Because of this, we've now added a multiplier to Energy Shield Recharge Rate to the keystone, so players will be trading Recharge Rate for leech.

Question: So this multiplier will reduce the Energy Shield Recharge Rate?
My Thoughts: I think it would be more interesting if Ghost Reaver applied a portion of your life leech as energy shield leech maybe 30% on the keystone and 20% total on the nodes behind it for a grand total of 50%, and the drawback could be reduced leech rates for both life and energy shield.
This would make it more interesting for life/es hybrid characters and it would inherently be a drawback for CI characters.

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Rory wrote:

Zealot's Oath
This keystone currently has no changes to it, but we may be trying out changes during the Beta.

My Thoughts: Same here, I think would be more interesting if Zealot's Oath applied a portion of your Life Regeneration as ES Regeneration.

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Rory wrote:

New Item Modifiers
We're also going to be adding a series of new modifiers to items, and replacing what can be rolled on some hybrid armour to both improve Life values and to increase the total defences on hybrid armour.

All armour will have a new Prefix modifier that can be rolled that increases flat defences (Armour, Evasion, or Energy Shield) and grants a small value of added maximum Life.

Question: this is not for hybrid defences pieces? or will those have an equivalent mod which gives life + hybrid armour + evasion for example?

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Rory wrote:

We'll be changing flat added defence mods on multi-defence armours as well. Previously an Armour/Energy Shield item could roll both flat local Armour and flat local maximum Energy Shield as separate mods. These pieces will only be able to roll a combined mod that has both of those stats, at 75% their value. This means that Hybrid armours will have a lower potential rating of an individual defence, but better total defences.

My Thoughts: This is something I always wanted, good change!
I also think that hybrid items should have hybrid attribute mods, for example an es/armour item should have +Strength and +Intelligence as a combined mod at 75% value, same for weapons.

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Rory wrote:

We're also going to be adding a series of new suffix modifiers to rare body armours to give them something more rewarding. Body Armours that grant Evasion will be able to roll additional Dodge Chance. Body Armours that grant Armour will be able to roll additional Physical Damage Reduction, and Energy Shield armours will be able to roll additional Energy Shield recharge rate. We may be adding other interesting modifiers as suffixes to other item slots during the Beta, if this is successful.

Question: Will this have any effect on hybrid items?

Thanks for reading, I'm really hyped for the expansion!

I seriously hope GGG is joking here.
Nerf then tree ES % multiplifiers then if you so like nerf train. They are so much more than life multiplifiers!! Even jewels can do more % to ES than to life. That`s why many preferred ES. It was better. And yes, not speaking about laughable amounts life can be achieved. And really useless armor system what no one really bother to have.

I wish life nodes can have +16% to life an it is ES have now. That way you will see not so much cries about dead nerf actions. This is more about balance.

But now it seems ES becomes no go at all. Seriously? No even energy flasks to replenish ES as life flasks and now even no leech possible? With constantly being attacked in higher difficulties it is full ES fail.

How do you suppose my howa ranger now survive in maps?
She is not even close to god tier items with 8k ES.
This is just kills the build. And kills any currency invested it it.

I wish GGG to play their own game.
And not only starting normal.

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elwindakos wrote:

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h4lth3rr wrote:

I guess you don't know what you are talking about tbh. My char is lvl 89 so far, to pick 300% es from the tree (which I don't see that this is possible; and least not for my build and my build does very fine atm) you must be lvl 100 I guess. I already picked mostly es nodes and even have an Energy from Within at the right spot. And the build should also be playable without any god-tier gear or without being at lvl 100, right? So must invest in some other stuff as es-only on the tree as well, if you're not playing an aura-bot.

And with 250% life from tree with the right gear (wearing a Kaom's Heart for example) I easily will have over 10k life tbh. Already had a 10k Explosive Arrow Berserker, with ok-ish gear.

ok,you wear kaom heart with 250% easily reach 10k?show me.Please,do.And then lets compare it with the SAME range values(aka T1 apparently)to those of es.With Ascedancys you can get EASILY 350% ES.(just did a 400% with energy from within).Come on,show me,and ill show you back.Prove me wrong.(Ps,95 level testing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvDvp5g_9_g

There you go... 15K life... GGG quoted 25K ES, so don't get salty... where is the balance going?

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Phaesrole wrote:

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elwindakos wrote:

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h4lth3rr wrote:

I guess you don't know what you are talking about tbh. My char is lvl 89 so far, to pick 300% es from the tree (which I don't see that this is possible; and least not for my build and my build does very fine atm) you must be lvl 100 I guess. I already picked mostly es nodes and even have an Energy from Within at the right spot. And the build should also be playable without any god-tier gear or without being at lvl 100, right? So must invest in some other stuff as es-only on the tree as well, if you're not playing an aura-bot.

And with 250% life from tree with the right gear (wearing a Kaom's Heart for example) I easily will have over 10k life tbh. Already had a 10k Explosive Arrow Berserker, with ok-ish gear.

ok,you wear kaom heart with 250% easily reach 10k?show me.Please,do.And then lets compare it with the SAME range values(aka T1 apparently)to those of es.With Ascedancys you can get EASILY 350% ES.(just did a 400% with energy from within).Come on,show me,and ill show you back.Prove me wrong.(Ps,95 level testing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvDvp5g_9_g

There you go... 15K life... GGG quoted 25K ES, so don't get salty... where is the balance going?

Thats not 250% hp,you moron

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elwindakos wrote:

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h4lth3rr wrote:

I guess you don't know what you are talking about tbh. My char is lvl 89 so far, to pick 300% es from the tree (which I don't see that this is possible; and least not for my build and my build does very fine atm) you must be lvl 100 I guess. I already picked mostly es nodes and even have an Energy from Within at the right spot. And the build should also be playable without any god-tier gear or without being at lvl 100, right? So must invest in some other stuff as es-only on the tree as well, if you're not playing an aura-bot.

And with 250% life from tree with the right gear (wearing a Kaom's Heart for example) I easily will have over 10k life tbh. Already had a 10k Explosive Arrow Berserker, with ok-ish gear.

ok,you wear kaom heart with 250% easily reach 10k?show me.Please,do.And then lets compare it with the SAME range values(aka T1 apparently)to those of es.With Ascedancys you can get EASILY 350% ES.(just did a 400% with energy from within).Come on,show me,and ill show you back.Prove me wrong.(Ps,95 level testing)

Well, as a life char you can have easily have at least ~100 life on every item, except maybe on the weapon/shield/quiver maybe.

I don't have the EA char anymore so I can't show that, but I have an old on EK Berserker on standard with 250% life from tree including 1 jewel with life on it. My gear is kinda crappy, I don't wear a Kaom's (so far) and I'm currently at 7139 life.

Gear with life rolls on this build:

In my opinion the nerf to energy shield numbers is justified.

As it was stated and how I understood this:

"Reductions to levels of Energy Shield
All local Energy Shield modifiers on items, as well as the base Energy Shield of items, have been reduced at higher levels. Very low-level items will see a slight increase or no change, scaling up to a 33% reduction at the highest tier of modifiers."

The lowest energy shield gear will actually get a buff or remain the same, which could enable you to transfer to CI sooner? Mid-tier will receive a slight nerf and top tier the 33% nerf.

While the nerf to Vaal Pact was more or less called for, I didn't quite understand the Ghost Reaver.

Wouldn't it be better to make Ghost Reaver leech 50% ES/50% Life, now hybrids actually win, but let's be honest they need some love.

And for Vaal Pact I would suggest, instant leech working for both with 50% effectiveness, 50% reduction to life regen instead of no life regen and 50% reduction to energy shield recharge rate.

So with these changes CI + Ghost Reaver + Vaal Pact would work 1/4th of current.

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h4lth3rr wrote:

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elwindakos wrote:

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h4lth3rr wrote:

I guess you don't know what you are talking about tbh. My char is lvl 89 so far, to pick 300% es from the tree (which I don't see that this is possible; and least not for my build and my build does very fine atm) you must be lvl 100 I guess. I already picked mostly es nodes and even have an Energy from Within at the right spot. And the build should also be playable without any god-tier gear or without being at lvl 100, right? So must invest in some other stuff as es-only on the tree as well, if you're not playing an aura-bot.

And with 250% life from tree with the right gear (wearing a Kaom's Heart for example) I easily will have over 10k life tbh. Already had a 10k Explosive Arrow Berserker, with ok-ish gear.

ok,you wear kaom heart with 250% easily reach 10k?show me.Please,do.And then lets compare it with the SAME range values(aka T1 apparently)to those of es.With Ascedancys you can get EASILY 350% ES.(just did a 400% with energy from within).Come on,show me,and ill show you back.Prove me wrong.(Ps,95 level testing)

Well, as a life char you can have easily have at least ~100 life on every item, except maybe on the weapon/shield/quiver maybe.

I don't have the EA char anymore so I can't show that, but I have an old on EK Berserker on standard with 250% life from tree including 1 jewel with life on it. My gear is kinda crappy, I don't wear a Kaom's (so far) and I'm currently at 7139 life.

Gear with life rolls on this build:

Spoiler

7100 with such rolls is not EASY 10k you claimed.So,you admit deafeat here,or?

Also,having +100hp on armour is an equivalent of having 900+es in same terms on armour,wanna compare this?

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Shandyboy wrote:

I find this post to be super, super funny.

ES has needed a nerf for ages; let's not pretend otherwise.

that is just the opinion of a group of gamers who have gotten used to the practise of nerfing games into oblivion by determining whatever is strong and liked by gamers at the moment, and then destroying exactly that.

You know how many games have undergone this process already?

It seems something qualifies for a nerf just by virtue of the fact alone that it is the most effective way to do things in any given area of the game.

ES is fine. Life as others already mentioned itt recieved a heavy nerf long ago and it deserved a medium sized buff without touching ES.

I like the keystone changes.

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Nerf ES and leave Life as is? damn that is s*** you guys just don't get it... The investment in life pool is too costly which means you cannot invest in other defensive abilities or offensive abilities for this matter. I haven't played a life build for over 3 leagues cause it simply sucks...