Energy Shield and Life

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h4lth3rr wrote:

Seriously, you forgot to do the math.

Life pool from life based characters ALWAYS has to be alot lower than energy shield pools from es based characters, because you forgot about the big defense, life based characters have to offer.

I mean seriously, it's so easy to make a character with at least ~7k life and to have at least ~50% physical damage reduction without any endurance charges up. How can this be balanced?

To be more detailed:
Energy shield players doesn't have this big layer of defense or better said, they have no defense at all, because energy shield as a type of defense turns into effective life without having tons of phys reduction and tons of dodge and evasion. If you want to play a 100% es based char without having the possibility to leech with Vaal Pact anymore, then es regen has to be buffed ALOT! Since the normal leech via Ghost Reaver is a joke with only having 2% leech from Warlord's Mark (as spell casters).

So you have to buff Ghost Reaver with mods like increased es leech per second and % increased of maximum Energy Shield per second to maximum Energy Shield Leech rate

Or you create some new es leech nodes on the tree, especially in the Intelligence/Es based areas on the tree.

And to be honest, I never saw a character with 25k es; I don't know from where you got those numbers!!??
Maybe with the old Vaal Discipline it was possible to reach 25k es together with god-tier gear in standard.

At the moment I play an es regen based character and I have decent es gear so far as you can see here:

Spoiler

With ~250% increased es from tree PLUS the more multiplier behind the CI keystone, 465 Intelligence and a lvl 20 Discipline results for me in 13,4k es as effective life. Which is in my opinion totally comparable with a 7-8k life char, because those also have the big phys reduction from all the armour as well, or additional evasion and dodge as layers of defense. We energy shield players only have the es pool and that's it.

And on top of that we have the big downside that we have to wear stuff like Valyrium or Eye of Chayula to not get stunned and we also have to care about to get frozen. As a suggestion, you could make CI keystone to have something like "stuns/freezes are based on maximum energy shield"; and not still on life. From this point of view, life builds are way more unbalanced than es builds. Or change the placement of Unwavering Stance and put it more in the middle so that EVERY char has access to it without crippling the build.

So, SERIOUSLY, how could this be balanced at all? With those reduces in energy shield I'd have maybe almost 9k es with my (decent!) gear then, but with the lack of any physical damage reduction and while having to waer a crappy ring to avoid stuns most of the times.

How can this be playable at all against hard hitting bosses and how can this be balanced?

As other users already mentioned it, you should just have buffed life which - and that more unfair - you already did buff with hey hybrid "armour/evasion + life" master craft mods.

I don't get your whole point GGG, please enlighten me.

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BestiyaLV wrote:

But maybe we should just wait for BETA to begin

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gobzi wrote:

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BestiyaLV wrote:

But maybe we should just wait for BETA to begin

NO! We must butthurt right now.

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elwindakos wrote:

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h4lth3rr wrote:

Seriously, you forgot to do the math.

Life pool from life based characters ALWAYS has to be alot lower than energy shield pools from es based characters, because you forgot about the big defense, life based characters have to offer.

I mean seriously, it's so easy to make a character with at least ~7k life and to have at least ~50% physical damage reduction without any endurance charges up. How can this be balanced?

To be more detailed:
Energy shield players doesn't have this big layer of defense or better said, they have no defense at all, because energy shield as a type of defense turns into effective life without having tons of phys reduction and tons of dodge and evasion. If you want to play a 100% es based char without having the possibility to leech with Vaal Pact anymore, then es regen has to be buffed ALOT! Since the normal leech via Ghost Reaver is a joke with only having 2% leech from Warlord's Mark (as spell casters).

So you have to buff Ghost Reaver with mods like increased es leech per second and % increased of maximum Energy Shield per second to maximum Energy Shield Leech rate

Or you create some new es leech nodes on the tree, especially in the Intelligence/Es based areas on the tree.

And to be honest, I never saw a character with 25k es; I don't know from where you got those numbers!!??
Maybe with the old Vaal Discipline it was possible to reach 25k es together with god-tier gear in standard.

At the moment I play an es regen based character and I have really decent gear so far as you can see here:

Spoiler

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAUBAAFvBAcHHgmqDFINfA5IES8RUBGWFVAV1xhWGF0YahqBGyUc3B0UHwIfGCL0JognqSj6KYsrCiymLL8y0TW5NsU3gzwFPO89X0VHSVFJsUuuTLNRdFH7UlNWSFZjV8lYB1ugXGtd8mh0aPJsC20ZeC98Dnzlf8aAMIKbgseESIaui3qLjI8aj0aP-pDWkyeVLpeVl_SYrZo7m26boZx7nsSf36EvoqOmmaa-puunCKcrp1Woua3xtzC4k76KwGbAmsNtzRbQH9fP2CTZW9n82mLfhuL36FrpAuvu7BjtYe9874jv6_DV98H5N_nd-ej60g==?accountName=h4lth3rr&characterName=Frostwarden

With ~250% increased es from tree PLUS the more multiplier behind the CI keystone, 465 Intelligence and a lvl 20 Discipline results for me in 13,4k es as effective life. Which is in my opinion totally comparable with a 7-8k life char, because those also have the big phys reduction from all the armour as well, or additional evasion and dodge as layers of defense. We energy shield players only have the es pool and that's it.

And on top of that we have the big downside that we have to wear stuff like Valyrium or Eye of Chayula to not get stunned and we also have to care about to get frozen. As a suggestion, you could make CI keystone to have something like "stuns/freezes are based on maximum energy shield"; and not still on life. From this point of view, life builds are way more unbalanced than es builds. Or change the placement of Unwavering Stance and put it more in the middle so that EVERY char has access to it without crippling the build.

So, SERIOUSLY, how could this be balanced at all? With those reduces in energy shield I'd have maybe almost 9k es with my (decent!) gear then, but with the lack of any physical damage reduction and while having to waer a crappy ring to avoid stuns most of the times.

How can this be playable at all against hard hitting bosses and how can this be balanced?

As other users already mentioned it, you should just have buffed life which - and that more unfair - you already did buff with hey hybrid "armour/evasion + life" master craft mods.

I don't get your whole point GGG, please enlighten me.

With 250% hp nodes you would have around 7k hp.With 300%es,totaly possible,aura nodes increase taken for discipline and some defence nodes increase to shields?I jsut made one char on poe builder right now with 27k es WITHOUT mirror worthy gear.So,no,YOU dont know what you are talking about

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simoniknow wrote:

I totally agree that a change is needed and as we all know, no one is playing end game with life builds at the moment.

So what did GGG do, make sure that no one will ever play an es build ever again :-)

That is so funny !!!!!

But even so, happy to try out life builds again.