Energy Shield and Life

People went ES because of the stupid one-shot mechanics that armor / evasion do nothing against and that you need a ton of life / ES for. Instead of fixing armor and evasion you just made ES suck too. 25k? Seriously? that's basically full mirrored gear. How is that even an argument? People with thousands of exalts worth of gear SHOULD steamroll the game.

And you even had to nerf Shavs, just wow.

What was the point of nerfing baseline ES values if you're already removing vaal pact? That just doesn't make sense. People can't keep up vaal disc permanently.

Sigh, looks like it's back to playing bow and offscreening things, except for the bosses where you're trapped in a tiny room playing bullet hell and each missile does 5k+ damage. I get that you wanted to stop facetank with high ES and vaal pact, but there were far more elegant solutions than just slamming all the ES gear with a nerf bat AND removing their leech. You basically made melee ES nonviable outside of some very niche builds.

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Ixoziel wrote:

People went ES because of the stupid one-shot mechanics that armor / evasion do nothing against and that you need a ton of life / ES for. Instead of fixing armor and evasion you just made ES suck too. 25k? Seriously? that's basically full mirrored gear. How is that even an argument? People with thousands of exalts worth of gear SHOULD steamroll the game.

And you even had to nerf Shavs, just wow.

What was the point of nerfing baseline ES values if you're already removing vaal pact? That just doesn't make sense. People can't keep up vaal disc permanently.

Sigh, looks like it's back to playing bow and offscreening things, except for the bosses where you're trapped in a tiny room playing bullet hell and each missile does 5k+ damage. I get that you wanted to stop facetank with high ES and vaal pact, but there were far more elegant solutions than just slamming all the ES gear with a nerf bat AND removing their leech. You basically made melee ES nonviable outside of some very niche builds.

They have basically killed off 60% of all builds in one failed swoop. People's time, struggle and currency investments are gone. No rewards for work in this game, just nerfs and justifications to keep everyone weak and frustrated.

Protest by not supporting the game. I'm not supporting the game anymore. Death by a thousand cuts. GGG will only retract bad decisions if they feel the wallet pinch.

From what I am reading on the beta forums, 3.0 is going to flop hard. I'll just play my Juggernaut until it gets nerfed too and quit this game for good.

You removed flat Oak's life and call that "buff".
You added new chest life, seems to be good, but what will happen with Bringer of Rain users? It means that HC builds with BoR not viable at all since that point.
I start playing from Beyound league and there are no changes in the right side of the 'weak life nodes' tree. And that my minority report: armour nerfed, es nerfed, and life still suck.

Why remove flat OAK life bonus? Why? And new unique now looks worse as they has less life and without OAK life we will have lesser life (if use a lot uniques).

GGG life still sux, you dont change anything.

I hope something will change here, till the release will come.

It kills build diversity :(

So what exactly is the point of going es from now on? You lose out on the defenses of armour/evasion and now you can't even leech like a life build can. Yeah you can maybe get 12k es now if your rich, but for most people they struggle to get 10k es on a build before the nerfs. The way I see it, es is dead if these nerfs go live. This sucks for witches and a few other classes as energy shield is the main way to go on the free. You either nerf the total es pool when players get 15k+ es or make Vaal pact weaker. I don't feel taking Vaal pact out for es altogether is fair at all. So basically I'm going to have to invest in a ton of es nodes to get maybe 10k es now and lose out on armor and evasion and not be able to leech instantly... gg GGG. What is that crap? Just because a few players invest thousands of exalts to reach 25k doesn't mean every es player should get a nerf. The average player probably gets about 10k es. There has to be some incentive on building es because you lose the things I mentioned; right now I'm not seeing any bonuses with these nerfs. Oh yeah I forgot life builds get life flasks also whereas es only has recharge.

I am sure GGG won't even read that post but i want to share my opinion with these nerfs. Not that it matters but it could help them for the future of POE. I started this game with prophecy, so i am a "new player". The first time i washed a POE gameplay i asked my friend "why would i play this game ?" i saw a guy destroying a boss with a skill ( SRS if i remember well). That was so boring i almost died, my friend then told me "the good thing with POE is that you can build your own character and play with any skill you want" so he showed me the tree, the list of skills gems, the items...
It was so hard to understand what nodes should i take, is this item good with this skill, is this skill even worth to play?
i think i played it for 4 hours non stop. My build was crap, items were crap, didn't know you can trade items with other players. To be short it was really hard. But so satisfying, so much possibilities in one little game.
After 2 months i almost lost interest because all my builds were crap, i obviously didn't know how to build properly, all my builds were Life based but none had life nodes, only DPS nodes. "I want to try one last thing before leaving for good" I tried Chaos inoculation/Discipline with magic ES items, it was ok, i did kill Malachai merciless with 4-5 deaths but it was cool ! So i stayed, tried Essence drain with Essence league, totems with breach (bad idea) and (sorry don't judge me) blade vortex with legacy. Blade vortex, ES, vaal pact and crits, i spend hours farming chaos recipes and finnaly bought Vinktar. That is it, the first build that could do T12 maps (if good mods).

Cool great story but what's the point ? The point is that my last try was a succes (kind of), i played Blade vortex for so long that i know i won't be able to kill Shaper (lack of skill, time, hope, luck, chaos orbs) but i don't mind i had fun. Now with these nerfs it probably won't get me to T8 maps.

You can make a pay to play Beta, you can nerf builds, you can add skill gems, you can "simplify the game for new players" but please TRY to play YOUR GAME, try to kill Shaper deathless with less than 5 exalts and if you do please show us how you did! ( you could even do a "first build to play with")

With extra gore bleeding heart and love <3

A little hope from an HC beta tester:

I thought I was going to miss CI. One of my most successful builds was a 13k es witch that I'm pretty sure is now impossible.

But

What they have done with MOM to make life/MOM builds viable is fantastic, and arguably comparable to a strong CI build. My Witch golem summoner on beta hc is currently doing up to T15s (because no T16s have dropped yet) at lvl 88. Running with a little over 6.1k life, 2.6k unreserved mana and a few hundred ES. I haven't run into anything (other than avoidable wind up mechanics) that comes close to one-shotting that yet. And I can use potions. 3 seething potions, 2 life, one Mana means that as long as I'm not one shot, I have an effective life pool comparable to 17k es. (1k life/charge*6 charges, 400 Mana/charge*5 charges.)

And this is in beta hc, which is comparable to ssf. I have purchased almost none of my gear. This is not a character that had to spend multiple ex on anything.

Now my build is a bit extreme on the defensive side. But my point is that ggg has done more to create options for tanky builds that can survive high level content than many of you might believe right now.

STEAM GUIDE " Easy Fix for Energy Shield Nerf in 3.0 by a guy i agree with (except the mocking in early post about New Zeeland on how PoE is inspired by it's history etc, BUT most of the complains about FUCKING RUNNING ENERGY SHIELD DOWN IN THE GROUND,yes i agree. ( i din't fully read it caz TLDR but i do have my own opinion about ES nerf)
BTW his fix is Uninstall From Steam pictures :D go figure ^_^

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=951614207
AND I QUOTE
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"The tragedy is Path of Exile is an excellent ARPG. It's fun, charming, and they've done a lot of things well. Nobody really cares that the majority of the game is just recycled content when they're having fun, but they care when the builds they've spent hundreds of hours grinding for is broken. ARPG's are all about getting the best possible gear and building ultimate bad♥♥♥♥♥god-slayers. No one wants to play a ♥♥♥♥♥ mediocre DPS build. The whole point is to trivialise endgame. Watching mobs explode into fountains of gore is fun. Smashing bosses is fun. Grinding and farming isn't fun, but that's the price of admission we pay. Having achieved some measure of commercial success, GGG seems to have forgotten this. Whether it's due to hubris and/or avarice, they no longer understand the product they're selling. It's no longer about building customer trust for the long-term, but about recklessly squandering customer goodwill and maximising profit in the short-term. If the only long-term reward players can expect is a broken build, then all the grinding and farming is a complete waste of time just like Path of Exile is right now."
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NOW,MY humble opinion
Agreed.
GRINDING GEAR GAMES WERE ONE OF BEST DEVS TO ME, still are ,maybe,BUT...

NOT EVEN REGENERATIVE Energy Shield builds will be viable, everybody here and anywhere that saiz otherwise is mega stupid and jealous on ES builds pre-3.0 patch,pffff
GHOST REAVER not leeching life leech into Energy Shield anymore and Vaal Pact (and any other insta leech item ) wont leech instantly anymore ,wont leech at all into ES actually,
WITH ADDED NERF TO ES => today's 900 ES armors becomes 700 ES in 3.0 patch , today's 700 + ES armors become 500 + ES, today's 500 ES armors become 300 + es drops in the future when 3.0 lands, ADD ALL that and it makes Energy Shield COMPLETELY USELESS, everybody who is stupid enough to say otherwise,please go do an ES build in 3.0 with the changes mentioned by GGG if they don't change the current plan for RUNNING ENERGY SHIELD DOWN IN THE GROUND 9001 METRES UNDER.
It is OUTRAGEOUS
People in EVE ONLINE space-ships mmorpg for example like Shield-Tanking more than Armor-tanking because it is cooler, more beautiful visuals + audios effects etc ( especially with more recent patching of Shields on ships ) , et cetera.
The stupid angry mob complains about things,they will always complain and GGG listens to everyone of the dumb monkeys who asks for unneccesary nerfs .
I don't blame at all players like the one who had character name Path_Of_Nerfing , GGG ruins their game each day. ONE THING IS GRINDING,which i don't disagree with,and enjoy in good games, like poe USED TO BE,
ANOTHER THING IS LACK OF CONTENT (See Metin 2 ,which has that,a lack of content " disguised " as gridding ",or at least it used to many years ago,doubt it has changed) ,
Sure GGG adds 6 more acts ( Though from what i read they add 2 or 3 more and the rest are repeated forms of the first acts just in sort of " morphed " ways)...
So i call Bullshit to anyone who saiz ES nerf is neccesary in this hellish manner,heck no,
DOUBLE-Dipping Poison/Burn DotS etc combinations sure those needed nerf maybe, like that Witch build with 10 + millions dps fire nova mine ,but Energy Shield nerfed almost completeley lik this, they might as well throw Energy Shield in the garbage bin and start " nerfing caz needed " to the other defenses - armor, evasion,dodge.

nice job GGG
MOST EXISTING PLAYERS WHO LIKED ES WILL RAGEQUIT FOR GOOD if you do THESE changes GGG_ROry posted
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1899919

WHELP SHIEEET,THERE GOES YOUR FREAKIN PLAYER BASE, NEW PLAYERS WILL RAGEQUIT WHEN THEY SEE ES BUILDS IS SHIT COMPARED TO LIFE and :> THEY PLAYED WRONG BUILD to die in late game content ,what do you know :D

:D THERE GOES YOUR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS BASE
there goes potential PvP/co-op future players base
THERE GOES PoE nice players and hello 80-99% Toxic players community left, NIIIIICELY DONE :D

AND A HUGE CHUNK OF EXISTING Energy Shield players will ragequit too :D AS EMPHASISED BY THAT GUY ON TH GUIDE - PATH OF NERFING AND NERFING, people make builds,you ruin them , they start new , well that "forced reset/grinding" will eventually bore people out who want to play long-term on standard league and keep their character builds.
in my humble opinion , I REPEAT, EVERYBODY AND THEIR MAMAS SAYING THEY ENJOY THE NERF and " Oh we feed on your tears ES users " , let me see them ditch Life from 3.0 and try energy shield ,not even regenerating ES with legacy Soul Stryke quiver or normal quiver occultist witch, won't be as tanky and farm-able as Life builds so there goes nothing,nicely done everyone, GGG Path of Nerfing AND toxic kids crying for nerfs and nerfs and 38257325372523753253 nerfs *claps hands*
as i said before, ONE THING is nerfing Double-Dipping ,that WAS neccesary to not keep PoE a DragonBallZ game with lots of millions DPS,
BUT COMPLETELY ruining a game's defensive mechanic , REST IN PEACE ENERGY SHIELD,a moment of silence everyone in the memory of Energy Shield .

*Rubs palms in anticipation of Armor + Evasion + Dodge RIP nerfs too, assuming GGG's all about balance and being impartial ye ye?sure?* ,everyone time to preepare for next funerals of Dodge + Armor + Evasion and tehn why not attack stuff and spells and who knows maybe the game evolves in Alien vs Predator or other games since kids suggest stuff on the forum,why not ^_^ .

me mad, me no play no more!






















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