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Samson001 wrote:
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alshabibi7 wrote:
Good Balance since ES builds are ridiculously OP with tanky and high damage.
You need to buff defenses ( Armour / Evasion )
Yes all ES builds are ridiculously OP.
Especially the ones that don't use Vaal pact. Which will be hit hardest by this change.
WtF!
And yes armour and evasion and life need a buff.
Actually Discipline got buffed and you get I think reduction to time before recovering though don't hold me on that I just heard it from one of overviews, so you get less ES but get to recover it faster, which actually better defines this aura instead of just more blue life.
I dunno what you are talking about but armar is good in blocking small to medium damage, and evasion usually takes the rest in terms of attacks. Plus no one defence capable to give you enough to survive on it's own you need a mix of those.
And most builds I see that are extremely tanky actually utilize more than one defence. My only wish would be is most overkill attacks you have to dodge were more forgivable, and wouldn't be OHKO(Kill on low life, leave with 1 HP no ES, or leave you with 1 HP and gibbing your any recovery for few seconds), it could also open to more interesting mechanics, like you sure survive those now, but it is also possible you have to survive follow up or survive. This would make fights more interesting, because you may give some strategy to the boss requiring you to adapt and plan, plan what you would do if you get in range. But I guess it is whatever It is their design and way of doing things, maybe after all acts out thei would start work on mechanics, in fact they already do.
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Posted bybormoth#6543on May 24, 2017, 8:37:56 AM
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This game is heading down the path of World of Warcraft when balancing the game until everything is the same. The charm about this game was to some extent the lack of a super balanced experience.
Anyway, I complained about nerfs in the past and still continued playing, we will see this time. I always played life based builds in the past and dying to often, feeling underpowered no matter how much time you put in to the game felt shitty.
Add more maps that are really hard instead of nerfing fun builds. Anyway, we will see.
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Posted byDeletedon May 24, 2017, 9:02:39 AMBanned
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Umbra_the_Wolf wrote:
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Gainworx wrote:
u guys make the game harder, but make us more crappy everytime...
why not nerf everything to 0.. cuz the time comes u cant complete the game cuz everything is so bad nerfed.. this is even worse then D3
Slow player progression is how they make money. They do not engage players creatively because it costs more and most people will play anyway because they are weak-willed and don't stand up for themselves and no longer have any sense of what a community should/could be like. It's all about a return of capital on an investment and everything GGG does and has done in the past is to slow us down to keep us playing longer. GGG has nerfed entire builds into the ground without batting an eye and they will do it again and again because players still play!!!!
They stole Diablo 2 utterly, I mean what do you expect from these people? Steal a game then expect them to be nice when their dollar is at stake to players having fun but progressing too fast? No, they will do whatever they want.
I have a 3 year old build that I've written a 50,000 word guide for. I am not even allowed to write more. 270,000 views and 90 threads of replies of people who play it and GGG is going to kill it at 3.0. Thousands will lose my build that they invested time and currency in.
All hail Cookie-Cutter-GGG-Approved crap builds that are all the same homogeneous goop that they control.
How long have you worked at this game to get the fun you want?
Word it another way, how many hours of grinding vs hours of reward from that grinding?
Word it again another way, how much frustration and stress vs fun and jovial play?
Like I said, this game is WORK
No play allowed
Play costs money
Work gets money
GGG Mods do not move my post here. It belongs here. Stop taking my posts away.
Dual Striker Leech Tank, creator since 11/2014
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1533986/page/1Umbra_the_Wolf Last edited by Umbra_the_Wolf#0636 on May 24, 2017, 1:32:46 PM
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Umbra_the_Wolf wrote:
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Gainworx wrote:
u guys make the game harder, but make us more crappy everytime...
why not nerf everything to 0.. cuz the time comes u cant complete the game cuz everything is so bad nerfed.. this is even worse then D3
Slow player progression is how they make money. They do not engage players creatively because it costs more and most people will play anyway because they are weak-willed and don't stand up for themselves and no longer have any sense of what a community should/could be like. It's all about a return of capital on an investment and everything GGG does and has done in the past is to slow us down to keep us playing longer. GGG has nerfed entire builds into the ground without batting an eye and they will do it again and again because players still play!!!!
They stole Diablo 2 utterly, I mean what do you expect from these people? Steal a game then expect them to be nice when their dollar is at stake to players having fun but progressing too fast? No, they will do whatever they want.
I have a 3 year old build that I've written a 50,000 word guide for. I am not even allowed to write more. 270,000 views and 90 threads of replies of people who play it and GGG is going to kill it at 3.0. Thousands will lose my build that they invested time and currency in.
All hail Cookie-Cutter-GGG-Approved crap builds that are all the same homogeneous goop that they control.
How long have you worked at this game to get the fun you want?
Word it another way, how many hours of grinding vs hours of reward from that grinding?
Word it again another way, how much frustration and stress vs fun and jovial play?
Like I said, this game is WORK
No play allowed
Play costs money
Work gets money
GGG Mods do not move my post here. It belongs here. Stop taking my posts away.
This^
I've literally spent months getting currency, planning, reading guides and finally building an ES character that is actually fun to play. So have countless thousands of other people - only to be spit on by the next overkill nerf.
GGG is effectively spitting in the faces of all of us, all the time and hours spent to finally achieve a end game viable build, only to be gutted in 3.0
The reward for working in this game is punishment. well, to that I say F*** you GGG. You're seriously blowing it this time. The blow back from this will be truly epic.
You tards have forgot the base players who made you the money in the first place. PC gamers. Remember that fact.
You are heading down the vanilla console S*** path and ruining yet another great game in favor of keeping the console mindless sheep pleased. That's really what this about.
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Posted bySmear#1381on May 24, 2017, 2:28:17 PM
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Smear wrote:
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Umbra_the_Wolf wrote:
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Gainworx wrote:
u guys make the game harder, but make us more crappy everytime...
why not nerf everything to 0.. cuz the time comes u cant complete the game cuz everything is so bad nerfed.. this is even worse then D3
Slow player progression is how they make money. They do not engage players creatively because it costs more and most people will play anyway because they are weak-willed and don't stand up for themselves and no longer have any sense of what a community should/could be like. It's all about a return of capital on an investment and everything GGG does and has done in the past is to slow us down to keep us playing longer. GGG has nerfed entire builds into the ground without batting an eye and they will do it again and again because players still play!!!!
They stole Diablo 2 utterly, I mean what do you expect from these people? Steal a game then expect them to be nice when their dollar is at stake to players having fun but progressing too fast? No, they will do whatever they want.
I have a 3 year old build that I've written a 50,000 word guide for. I am not even allowed to write more. 270,000 views and 90 threads of replies of people who play it and GGG is going to kill it at 3.0. Thousands will lose my build that they invested time and currency in.
All hail Cookie-Cutter-GGG-Approved crap builds that are all the same homogeneous goop that they control.
How long have you worked at this game to get the fun you want?
Word it another way, how many hours of grinding vs hours of reward from that grinding?
Word it again another way, how much frustration and stress vs fun and jovial play?
Like I said, this game is WORK
No play allowed
Play costs money
Work gets money
GGG Mods do not move my post here. It belongs here. Stop taking my posts away.
This^
I've literally spent months getting currency, planning, reading guides and finally building an ES character that is actually fun to play. So have countless thousands of other people - only to be spit on by the next overkill nerf.
GGG is effectively spitting in the faces of all of us, all the time and hours spent to finally achieve a end game viable build, only to be gutted in 3.0
The reward for working in this game is punishment. well, to that I say F*** you GGG. You're seriously blowing it this time. The blow back from this will be truly epic.
You tards have forgot the base players who made you the money in the first place. PC gamers. Remember that fact.
You are heading down the vanilla console S*** path and ruining yet another great game in favor of keeping the console mindless sheep pleased. That's really what this about.
THIS ALSO^
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1533986
50,000 word guide. This 3 year old build was made with sweat and frustration to achieve endgame viability. Only the last 6 months has it truly made it and now it will be snuffed out utterly. I will never play a grind fest game like this ever again. Not so long as my WORK (not play!) is casually ripped from my hands by Devs.
Dual Striker Leech Tank, creator since 11/2014
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1533986/page/1Umbra_the_Wolf Last edited by Umbra_the_Wolf#0636 on May 24, 2017, 2:48:32 PM
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Nephalim wrote:
What a horrible path the game has taken. 15,000 ES for a balanced character post nerf? 25,000 ES pre nerf?
Does anyone from GGG actually play the game at end game? This game has become more and more of a joke past ascendancy.
2.6 made melee trash tier with no compensation
3.0 will make ES trash tier and do nearly nothing to buff life as compensation
THIS ^
Dual Striker Leech Tank, creator since 11/2014
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1533986/page/1Umbra_the_Wolf
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Just remove vaal pact or rework it to give up to 100% increased life leech rate over 3-5 points :)
Last edited by Jyssi#3843 on May 24, 2017, 7:57:50 PM
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Posted byJyssi#3843on May 24, 2017, 7:40:13 PM
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Radical changes are very good for upcoming longer beta testing. ES rates were always too high and they always had to balance the game with that in mind. Also CI, ghost reaver, vaal pact nonsense was dumb.
Why people are so butthurt over test changes? I always thought permanent league players are just a small minority...
With this big changes I know there will be inbalance in short term, but it will lead to a lot better overall balance in the end.
Last edited by Jyssi#3843 on May 24, 2017, 7:50:50 PM
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Posted byJyssi#3843on May 24, 2017, 7:45:16 PM
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666DalmatiaN wrote:
Radical changes are very good for upcoming longer beta testing. ES rates were always too high and they always had to balance the game with that in mind. Also CI, ghost reaver, vaal pact nonsense was dumb.
Why people are so butthurt over test changes? I always thought permanent league players are just a small minority...
With this big changes I know there will be inbalance in short term, but it will lead to a lot better overall balance in the end.
b.s. if i ever smelled it
Dual Striker Leech Tank, creator since 11/2014
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1533986/page/1Umbra_the_Wolf
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The sheer scale of the whining is hilarious. GGG's doing something right on that front. Asfor the actual changes, I'll reserve judgement until then.
Vaal Pact probably needs to be nerfed further.
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Posted byAreze093#7702on May 24, 2017, 10:23:55 PM
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