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xpress69 wrote:

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Giammafix wrote:

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xpress69 wrote:

Ppl keep getting the idea that piscator is as good as a mirror wand cuz most mirror wands are shit triple t1 flat ele etc and pen.

At no point in my build was a perfect piscator better than a wand with nice rolls of flat ligh/crit/multi/atk spd

i dare anyone go to their pob and craft a true mirror wand (just for giggles) with:

-t1 flat light
-t1 light dmg
-t1 wed
-t1 crit
-t1 multi
-t1 atk spd

now look at your dmg..

hell, just go to my profile and input my shit wand in your build and let me know how it compares with your piscator.

Dont get me wrong piscator is great and can do all content, its not as good as a "gg" rare wand, non of that triple t1 flat dmg shit.

many people (me included) still chooses piscator's since even a good/perfect rolled one it's still way cheaper than a god tier wand; this is because of the new abyss jewels that add flat damage, and scale very well with the roll on piscator's.
the average poe player never seen a mirror in his life and even a rich guy could not have enough currency to buy a mirrored wand.
of course piscator will never be as good as a mirrored wand, but realistically speaking, players will likely clear the content without that mirrored wand.
last league I had enough currency and made the most significant upgrades I could do for my build, and therefore I've searched for a better wand than piscator's.
on the market there were lots of wands priced in various exalts, with tier 1 stats etc. etc. but none of them beaten my top rolled piscator's on path of building, except for the mirrored wand from this thread.

Exactly cuz those "said" mirror wands are shit. waht im saying is plz dont foking go spend your mirror on those shit wands. Look for the stats i listed up theres and you will get a better wand.

As i said the one i have right now gives more dmg than the 399edps with pen being mirrored in bestiary.

ok, assuming that people have a mirror + exalts to spend.
the average joe (even a rich one) will spend a lot of currency to buy helmets with proper enchant, 2 socketed tombfists, good rare rings, amulet, etc.
so what you're saying is absolutely right, but I guess the talking about piscator is that it's still an insane wand for a range of price which goes from 2 chaos - 2 exalted, vs 1 mirror + 40-50 exalted.
so if people doesn't have the cash for a ferrari, should stick to piscator's for the endgame, that's the topic

pretty sure yours is also at least 10% less dps than a perfect piscators with culling corruption.

There is a culling piscators with decent rolls for sale in BSC right now for 6ex.

Hi guys I noticed a lot of people are using Tombfists so I switched from Thunderfist to it. However that resulted in a massive drop in my Kinetic blast damage (because that used to be on thunderfist and thus had the added lightning damage boost). Is this normal? What is the main reason people switch from thunderfist to tombfist, is it for the life boost from jewels?

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Myst1z wrote:

Hi guys I noticed a lot of people are using Tombfists so I switched from Thunderfist to it. However that resulted in a massive drop in my Kinetic blast damage (because that used to be on thunderfist and thus had the added lightning damage boost). Is this normal? What is the main reason people switch from thunderfist to tombfist, is it for the life boost from jewels?

first thing, you should switch to a 2 socketed tombfists to get an upgrade.
the main reasons are:

- 2 extra sockets for abyssal jewels (more flat damage, life, attack speed, etc.)
- %increased attack speed on gloves (top stat for wanders)
- intimidate on hit when you have a murderous eye jewel socketed in (make sure to have it!)

if you can get 2 jewels with added lightning damage and attack speed, the tombfists will outperform the thunderfists, and intimidate is basically a 10% damage multiplier which the tooltip doesn't show.
And don't consider just the kinetic blast! That's just for clearing trash, your damage with all the flasks up and the curse on hit buff should be more than enough if not an overkill. Tombfists will affect your single target skill (Barrage) which is the most important, because the added lightning damage from thunderfists is just applied to the socketed kinetic blast, while the jewels with added damage and the intimidate will boost barrage too

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vtepezh wrote:

pretty sure yours is also at least 10% less dps than a perfect piscators with culling corruption.

There is a culling piscators with decent rolls for sale in BSC right now for 6ex.

Not sure,since pob doesnt calculate culling, atm with my wand i have:

4 237 885 shaper dps with power charges.

with perfect piscator:

3 989 211 shaper dps with power charges.

BUt lets say perfect Piscator with culling is better, look at my wand, it was 2 ex and its not even near what i would like on a mirrored, with the stats i mentioned up there.

The point im tring to make is dont go mirror those shit wands, sitck with Piscator or go for the multi/wed/light dmg etc.

EDIT: Dont know if its legit or even works like this but crafted a jewel with 10% more dmg just to simulate what u were saying and i get:

4 390 696 shaper dps with power charges with perfect piscator with culling, thats 150k + dmg than my shit 2 ex wand, wich is absolutely nothing comparing with a dream wand with t1 flat light/wed/%light/atk spd/crit/multi.
Yeah its for sure still better than a triple flat dmg t1 with pen even and no multi tho.

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Giammafix wrote:

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Myst1z wrote:

Hi guys I noticed a lot of people are using Tombfists so I switched from Thunderfist to it. However that resulted in a massive drop in my Kinetic blast damage (because that used to be on thunderfist and thus had the added lightning damage boost). Is this normal? What is the main reason people switch from thunderfist to tombfist, is it for the life boost from jewels?

first thing, you should switch to a 2 socketed tombfists to get an upgrade.
the main reasons are:

- 2 extra sockets for abyssal jewels (more flat damage, life, attack speed, etc.)
- %increased attack speed on gloves (top stat for wanders)
- intimidate on hit when you have a murderous eye jewel socketed in (make sure to have it!)

if you can get 2 jewels with added lightning damage and attack speed, the tombfists will outperform the thunderfists, and intimidate is basically a 10% damage multiplier which the tooltip doesn't show.
And don't consider just the kinetic blast! That's just for clearing trash, your damage with all the flasks up and the curse on hit buff should be more than enough if not an overkill. Tombfists will affect your single target skill (Barrage) which is the most important, because the added lightning damage from thunderfists is just applied to the socketed kinetic blast, while the jewels with added damage and the intimidate will boost barrage too

Hi thank u for the reply. I can see that my barrage damage would increase due to the intimidate+increased attack speed and jewels, but my kinetic blast tooltip damage dropped from 26k till 19k. I think this is unavoidable because I now lose the added lightning damage from thunderfist, so I'm just wondering if this is normal for everyone? There is no way that the kinetic blast damage can be maintained or even increased when changing from thunderfist to tombfist rite, since we're losing a level 18 added lightning damage boost.

Btw would also be great if someone can take a look at my character and advise me on what to upgrade next. I'm thinking better rings/ammy, shield, or max out quality of all my gems, but am not sure what to prioritize. Thanks!

There we go calling triple t1 flats "shit mirror wands" again -_-

People need to understand, and not echo Reddit calling those wands "shit" because...

Let's face it, before Abyssal jewels, those wands were absolutely best in slot.
Nowadays, we have Abyssal Jewels, and even so a T1 Flat light, crit, crit multi, WED, and WED(or insert any Shaped mod here) is "only" 10-15% more dps over a triple t1 flat wand. This is give or take a few % accounting for how many total Abyssal Jewels you are running.

Also, whats more is that the current #1 wand in Standard is basically a super Piscator. So everything that can be said about the current best wand can also apply to Piscator.

And yes, people who play temp league can absolutely clear all content with a Piscator.

Of course, we are talking about top rolled Piscator vs current best wand/triple t1 wand, the latter two will win if we just want to know pure dps output.

Excuse the rant, but I just really hate people calling the old triple t1 elemental wands shit.

4.82m shaper self buffed (no v lightning trap)

with 100% perfect culling strike piscator:

4.75m (assuming culling is a 1.11 multiplier, which isn't always the case for boss fights with phases. if it's a scenario where the cull is useless, the dps goes down significantly)

and my wand isn't great

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shadowfriend420 wrote:

4.82m shaper self buffed (no v lightning trap)

with 100% perfect culling strike piscator:

4.75m (assuming culling is a 1.11 multiplier, which isn't always the case for boss fights with phases. if it's a scenario where the cull is useless, the dps goes down significantly)

and my wand isn't great

Exactly.This is the same exact example as mine.


My point is not to shit on the old triple t1 flat wands, my point is ppl saying Piscator is almost as good as a Mirror wand is extremely deceiving, cuz most of the time ppl are comparing it to those triple t1 flat wands. When nowadays with abyss jewels etc, the standard for a mirror wand should be the t1 flat/wed/%light/crit/multi/atkspd etc.. and if u would compare Piscator to a wand like this, its not even close.

You have that example in the current wand up for mirror in Bestiary, 399 epds with 8% pen, sounds pretty good, but unless you're not using abyss jewels,(wich is unlikely), its not worth it over a Piscator. I lose dmg using that wand in comparison to my shitty wand and Shadowfriend will probably lose too.

And then you get new ppl,that dont understand why they are getting more dmg with a wand they found with nice multi on it than a Piscator, when everybody says Piscator is the shit.

Sorry for the rant too, im done.

Nice build, will do again next league, if nothing new pops up.

It's all good!

I got triggered once too. It's just pretty annoying since for every questionable post i get x5 whispers asking me how legit the statement is.

Anyway try to keep positive, the less people know about that, the better you will be able to snipe the better wands than piscator kappa.

But to give your rant's some icing, in every possible way, replace piscators at the very end of gear progress. you defenatly get juicy amulet and rings not to mention abyss jewels for whatever a mirror tier wand costs at the time.
If you still want more dps. then go mirror tier wand and at that time no matter if triple ele or not. the damage increase will be significant.
It's like a clockwork, the better the other slots are, the better a mirror tier wand will be for the build.

Currently lurking in Standard hunting down Uber Elder, still have to learn and get used to that hectic fight.
Best run was 1 rip, average is 2 rips atm. Real Life is quite exhausting atm. but will try to make a video, not really some like guide video's like the past but i would like to tell and show how i play a "budget wander" in bestiary and other stuff.

Thanks again to everyone that is helping others here and i really appreciate every "thanks for the build and eqal" makes me happy :)