Master Crafting Metamods

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vacii wrote:

Before you continue reading make sure you understand my point of view and where it is coming from:
1st - I am a casual player ( i have been playing the game since late 2012 as i can remember correctly to prove that 2 days ago i reached for the first time ever level 87 on my char)
2nd - I have some programming/coding experience which helps me understand how things in the computer world work
3rd and foremost - i just found out this news just now, like most of the community did.

Now Getting all that out of the way i want to express my personal opinion on the matter:
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3rra wrote:

I'm not talking about integrity or trusting the company, but some things should be disclosed properly, because without voc "dropping the bomb", things would have continued this way with ggg knowing everything an laughing while 99% of the playerbase is completely left in the dark.

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grepman wrote:

um, and that is bad how ?

GGG intended it to be like that. there are STILL recipes out there that are not discovered by the community (that MAY be discovered by individual people by trial/error or sheer luck)

its not the first precedent in any way. GCP recipe (lvl 20 gem + gcp = lvl 1 20% quality gem) was not known until much later on in game's history and there was a similar public outcry

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vacii wrote:

Before you continue reading make sure you understand my point of view and where it is coming from:
1st - I am a casual player ( i have been playing the game since late 2012 as i can remember correctly to prove that 2 days ago i reached for the first time ever level 87 on my char)
2nd - I have some programming/coding experience which helps me understand how things in the computer world work
3rd and foremost - i just found out this news just now, like most of the community did.

Now Getting all that out of the way i want to express my personal opinion on the matter:

1. all the fuss about economy being broken is major league B.S. exaggerated by lazy people that feel entitled to everything. THE ECONOMY IS SELF REGULATING (PERIOD) (just like in the real world currency is an abstract method for paying for services/stuff it is just an idea we all believe).

2 If someone somehow found a way to make more of it faster than others, congratulations you deserve your earnings! (it is the same way in the real world the examples are countless i will mention companies like Microsoft, Apple, Oracle that had an idea and worked hard to make it to where they are now).

3 If someone is spending his time researching and testing methods to obtain information that is available to all of us - he is doing nothing wrong he is being productive

4 if someone makes tools, that are not in conflict with the 'Law', and are used to obtain and process information faster or even automate it - he is being progressive (progress is the thing that now enables us to have powerful computing devices, cars, electricity ... generally better everything)

5 Knowledge is something you obtain through investing time and effort. Sharing is strictly subjective and if someone discovers something new (that i in now way conflicting with the "Law") he can either use it in his advantage or share it with everyone. Either way it is a result of his hard work and that makes the decision to share it his personal right. (ask your selves why companies like coca-cola keep their recipes a secret)

6 If you share your knowledge with someone else make sure you have some sort of DNR before whining that he shared your secret to everyone, best of all don't share your secret knowledge if you don't want it to go public.

7 I applaud GGG for encouraging people to implement logic in their thought and making people in general to use their brains if they choose so.

8 If you feel you are entitled to knowledge and currency without any effort what so ever, then this game and also real life are probably not best suited for you. You should try a game where you only click one or twice and everything is done automatically for you and see how that satisfies

9 If you some how feel misled by faulty information by blindly believing it - it's your own fault for being misled. You should be at least a little suspicious to any sort of random information, beneficiary or not, outside of the officially released one.

10 If GGG made all the information equally available through discovery it is up to you to figure it out and check all claims of how something is done.

11 If GGG i somehow corrupted, like implied in some comments, and gives out information to a chosen few, or in any way promotes a "scammy" behavior through the community - Don't you think that this is basically a marketing suicide that's going to ruin their credibility as company? And lastly ask your selves - If people, that are smart enough, to think of and afterwards produce a game as complex as path of exile, are capable of shooting them selves in the foot like that?!

12 THIS OR ANY GAME IS A PART OF THE REAL LIFE AND THEREFOR REFLECTION OF IT! YOU CAN GET SCAMMED OR MISLED IN ABSOLUTELY ANY GAME THERE IS! The only way to escape from life is through death. However you behave in games is no different of how you behave in real life further more it's actually who you really since you are able to freely expose your true self hidden behind the masks of anonymity and "Log Out" buttons, so please get of your High Moral Horse.

13 No one should be entitled to any sort of refund for something they willing and knowingly spend they money for. If read a book and don't like it, do you go to the book store and ask for a refund? If you sat through a whole movie in the movie theater and dot like it, do you go to the book store and ask for a refund? Have your mothers and fathers bought clothes for you as kids, then asked for a refund after you grew out of them?! I highly doubt it.
Therefor - should you be refunded for MTX's that you bought, in a game that you used to/ still play when suddenly you decided that you no longer feels right for you? The answer is NO you did not spend money on the game it self you spend money on the MTX's so ask your selves do you like the MTX's ? If NO then why the hell you bought them in a first place.

REFERENCE:
In the above text i refer as "LAW" to that massive amount of text most of us agreed with without even reading.

DISCLAIMER:
In this post i am not defending any of the involved parties.
Neither GGG nor the people who first obtained/shared are in any form or shape responsible for our own self awareness or issues/insecurities.
I'm not trying to be any pillar of morality in any way, i am expressing what i believe is COMMON SENSE!
I am pointing a finger towards certain members of the community - is somehow someone recognizes him self in my words , well then bad for you!
Life's a b***h - deal with it.

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knac84 wrote:

Come on Chris... failing at reading comprehension and having enough currency to gamble it experimenting is not "cleverness". Only someone who failed at reading comprehension would attempt trying this after reading the patch notes and in-game descriptions. It was poor wording which helped all this fiasco.

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3rra wrote:

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grepman wrote:

um, and that is bad how ?

GGG intended it to be like that. there are STILL recipes out there that are not discovered by the community (that MAY be discovered by individual people by trial/error or sheer luck)

its not the first precedent in any way. GCP recipe (lvl 20 gem + gcp = lvl 1 20% quality gem) was not known until much later on in game's history and there was a similar public outcry

I am not saying that the way ggg handles the "let the players discover the recipes" principle is bad or inappropriate.
Players investing time in acumulating knowledge are entitled to a reward(profit), but that's not my point.
The moment already given info is being removed, so certain players (that apperently "accidentally" happen to be close to ggg employees) as a direct result can dominate the market is what gives me a bad feel about this.

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fatelessguy wrote:

Where can i find info that certain players that did it were close to GGG employees or is it just a speculation some people are glad to spread?

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3rra wrote:

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fatelessguy wrote:

Where can i find info that certain players that did it were close to GGG employees or is it just a speculation some people are glad to spread?

http://www.twitch.tv/ghudda/v/11871329

Voc says it in the video (dunno what at what time exactly) that that specific guild had at some point a ggg employee as a member.

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fatelessguy wrote:

The thing is, i hardly believe in a situation that GGG staff helps some1 to obtain currency and lying to usual players. Why should they do this, lol? To become rich in their own game? Sounds funny, right? I would rather believe in a guy, who is just pissed off and tells shit because he is angry.