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I am thinking of using the augmented tree with Vaal pact with tornado shot.

If I do that won't I need physical damage and the PtL+WeD be counterproductive?
Also with the augmented version tree which ascendancy talents should I use with/without drillneck? Isn't piercing in general counterproductive for deadeye's chain?

Thank you for the most in-depth guide in PoE!
Does anybody know what was windripper build's passive tree?
Last edited by Elofall#5373 on Mar 15, 2016, 6:39:52 PM
What is the optimum way of leveling as Ranger? Do we just use bows from level one? What skills are the best for leveling?
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RestInPieces wrote:
I am thinking of using the augmented tree with Vaal pact with tornado shot.

If I do that won't I need physical damage and the PtL+WeD be counterproductive?
Also with the augmented version tree which ascendancy talents should I use with/without drillneck? Isn't piercing in general counterproductive for deadeye's chain?

Thank you for the most in-depth guide in PoE!


PTL converts up to 29% of your Physical damage as extra Lightning damage. It also converts 50% of your current Physical damage to Lightning. Both of those conversions apply from your base Physical damage, after all passives are accounted for. All physical damage boosts just make PTL stronger.

Then, because you've boosted and converted so much of the physical damage to lightning, weapon elemental damage is further enhancing that PTL conversion, PLUS any other elemental damage going to your weapon (Hatred, HoA, etc).

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FinalValkyrie wrote:
What is the optimum way of leveling as Ranger? Do we just use bows from level one? What skills are the best for leveling?


If you have the currency, use Quill Rain starting at level 5 and or Storm Cloud at level 9. These should hold you over for a while. At 32 you can swap to Death's Harp, which should pretty much carry you until you can use a Rare Harbinger/Lioneye's/Voltaxic or whatever your plan is.

Ice Shot is usually a pretty solid gem to start with. Decent for both ST and AoE. When you hit 28, Tornado Shot is great of course, and once you can do TS + Death's Harp, you can fly through the content.
Last edited by nEgativezEro89#1596 on Mar 15, 2016, 10:59:31 PM
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nEgativezEro89 wrote:
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RestInPieces wrote:
I am thinking of using the augmented tree with Vaal pact with tornado shot.

If I do that won't I need physical damage and the PtL+WeD be counterproductive?
Also with the augmented version tree which ascendancy talents should I use with/without drillneck? Isn't piercing in general counterproductive for deadeye's chain?

Thank you for the most in-depth guide in PoE!


PTL converts up to 29% of your Physical damage as extra Lightning damage. It also converts 50% of your current Physical damage to Lightning. Both of those conversions apply from your base Physical damage, after all passives are accounted for. All physical damage boosts just make PTL stronger.

Then, because you've boosted and converted so much of the physical damage to lightning, weapon elemental damage is further enhancing that PTL conversion, PLUS any other elemental damage going to your weapon (Hatred, HoA, etc).


Yes, I understand that, but that was not what I asked at all :/

-Since PtL converts 50% of the damage to lightning, isn't it counter-productive for life leech and for the "augmented tree" that uses vaal pact?

-Also which asc class is better for the augmented tree with the Vaal pact in case I have/don't have a drillneck?

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RestInPieces wrote:
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nEgativezEro89 wrote:
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RestInPieces wrote:
I am thinking of using the augmented tree with Vaal pact with tornado shot.

If I do that won't I need physical damage and the PtL+WeD be counterproductive?
Also with the augmented version tree which ascendancy talents should I use with/without drillneck? Isn't piercing in general counterproductive for deadeye's chain?

Thank you for the most in-depth guide in PoE!


PTL converts up to 29% of your Physical damage as extra Lightning damage. It also converts 50% of your current Physical damage to Lightning. Both of those conversions apply from your base Physical damage, after all passives are accounted for. All physical damage boosts just make PTL stronger.

Then, because you've boosted and converted so much of the physical damage to lightning, weapon elemental damage is further enhancing that PTL conversion, PLUS any other elemental damage going to your weapon (Hatred, HoA, etc).


Yes, I understand that, but that was not what I asked at all :/

-Since PtL converts 50% of the damage to lightning, isn't it counter-productive for life leech and for the "augmented tree" that uses vaal pact?

-Also which asc class is better for the augmented tree with the Vaal pact in case I have/don't have a drillneck?



The new dualist-leechnodes (augmented-tree) are leeching from ANY damage, not only physical.

Drillneck is not needed for any asc-class.
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FinalValkyrie wrote:
What is the optimum way of leveling as Ranger? Do we just use bows from level one? What skills are the best for leveling?


My mistake for not reading the whole question. :X

As basta said above, the leech nodes in the dualist area, as well as some others, now leech "attack damage", not physical. It will leech any damage, whether elemental or physical.
Hi there

I play a Tornado shot/frenzy Deadeye to give some background. Lvl 90 atm.

Got few questions I meant to ask:
1) Elemental reflect in maps
- how do you deal with that?
- I cannot seem to find a 5 link setup on GGGRB (classical for both frenzy and tornado shot)
- also I understand that I replace hatred with haste (even though it sucks it is the only other offensive aura with non ele dmg)
- I usually end up with TS - phys proj dmg - GMP - crit dmg (not fully lvled due to INT) + nothing since there is not really any red gem worth it for dmg
- phys reflect is easy on the other hand, I do not struggle there

2) Elemental reflect on rare mobs
- my DPS came to a point where I can instakill rares in one or two shots
- usually that is fine, even when they reflect
- but if it is a golem or any other high HP monster I reflect heavy amount of dmg
- I have 4.5k HP pool and in one/two tornado shots I can loose up to 90% health.
- OFC I am capped I also run dodge and pretty evasion, that doesn't prevent me from getting hit from time to time, I also use quartz flask for another 10% dodge
- any clues here? I run hatred and TS with phys to lightning and weapon ele dmg so yeah, 70-80% of my dmg might be ele, but what can I do there?

3) the need for secondary skill
- Most of the time I play I feel like the dmg of frenzy is lower than TS and I do not even use it on bosses
- it is much easier just to spam TS anywhere on the screen as it hits the target anyway
- compared to it, any other skill is just too complicated to use :D
- I mainly have frenzy to stack the charges
- so my question is, do you even bother using secondary skills? Is it worth it? WDYT?
- I was also pondering over the idea of picking up Vaal Burning arrow, I saw this guy having it on trap with insane dmg :)


NOTE: Don't wanna go into Vaal pact, I hate using blood rage with zero regen :D

Regards
Siliarus
1) tornado, gmp, fa , increased critical chance, iron grip. (crit mult can be good too, it depends on ur gear + tree, crit chance and mult are subject to diminishing returns so to max your dps u need to keep balance beetwen them - if u have lots of crit chance add crit mult gem and vice versa)
its inferior to regular setup but if you have good phys bow its not that bad (maps are easily doable)

2)whats your life leech ?
im using vitality void + 0,4mana//0,4life and im fine vs ele reflect (never ripped vs it), but on the other hand when i see reflect is starting to hurt me i respond quickly by stopping shooting + using siege ballista//golem//blink arrow to finish reflect mob.
phys reflect on the other hand can be deadly when i dont respend quick enough and im unlucky with evasion +dodge
but thats the payoff of running high dps//low hp character that reflect can kill you, its sort of "balancing factor" so there is not much here what can be done except more focus during playing ^^

3)frenzy is not the main source of damage, vs bossess blast rain is best (even with 9 frenzy charges blast rain still does more damage), but i must run blast rain because my aoe is la which is super bad vs single target.
with tornado u dont have to run single target skill, but siege ballista + fp + fa will help u squeeze some dps + tank,
frenzy + fa + curse on hit + assassins mark will help u sustain frenzy charges + curse boss
and if u really wany to minmax single target damage add blast rain + conc effect + wed + fa(or ppad) + ppad (or fa).
Last edited by soilwork3r#6178 on Mar 16, 2016, 4:12:43 AM
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Siliarus wrote:
Hi there

I play a Tornado shot/frenzy Deadeye to give some background. Lvl 90 atm.

Got few questions I meant to ask:
1) Elemental reflect in maps
- how do you deal with that?
- I cannot seem to find a 5 link setup on GGGRB (classical for both frenzy and tornado shot)
- also I understand that I replace hatred with haste (even though it sucks it is the only other offensive aura with non ele dmg)
- I usually end up with TS - phys proj dmg - GMP - crit dmg (not fully lvled due to INT) + nothing since there is not really any red gem worth it for dmg
- phys reflect is easy on the other hand, I do not struggle there

2) Elemental reflect on rare mobs
- my DPS came to a point where I can instakill rares in one or two shots
- usually that is fine, even when they reflect
- but if it is a golem or any other high HP monster I reflect heavy amount of dmg
- I have 4.5k HP pool and in one/two tornado shots I can loose up to 90% health.
- OFC I am capped I also run dodge and pretty evasion, that doesn't prevent me from getting hit from time to time, I also use quartz flask for another 10% dodge
- any clues here? I run hatred and TS with phys to lightning and weapon ele dmg so yeah, 70-80% of my dmg might be ele, but what can I do there?

3) the need for secondary skill
- Most of the time I play I feel like the dmg of frenzy is lower than TS and I do not even use it on bosses
- it is much easier just to spam TS anywhere on the screen as it hits the target anyway
- compared to it, any other skill is just too complicated to use :D
- I mainly have frenzy to stack the charges
- so my question is, do you even bother using secondary skills? Is it worth it? WDYT?
- I was also pondering over the idea of picking up Vaal Burning arrow, I saw this guy having it on trap with insane dmg :)


NOTE: Don't wanna go into Vaal pact, I hate using blood rage with zero regen :D

Regards
Siliarus


i like to use Trap as my secondary insane damage
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