Ranger - [3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses - Forum

Hello, i like to know which ascendary class i should pick up. Stats: 100% Pierce 1.5k Evasion 56% Dodge & Spell Dodge 3.9k Life I use TS for both single and aoe, tried LA/BR already but i choos to stick on TS. I think chain deadeye would be nice but a friend told me that its not possible to chain if i have 100% pierce. So i asking myself: Onslaught Raider or is it worth to respec to Chain Deadeye. Last edited by Evil_D_Ark#4264 on Mar 8, 2016, 6:26:09 AM	Posted by Evil_D_Ark#4264 on Mar 8, 2016, 6:22:18 AM Quote this Post
As much as i like the build and guide, there is so much confusion goin on here. Some clarifications would be highly appreciated. So What about Tornado and Deadeye +1 chain? Can anybody out there tell me about the current state? I hear everywhere that its counterproductive due to tornado shot's pierce. Am confused :S Thanks in advance. Sorry for bad english	Posted by bbqmarshal#1229 on Mar 8, 2016, 6:45:43 AM Quote this Post
" bbqmarshal wrote: As much as i like the build and guide, there is so much confusion goin on here. Some clarifications would be highly appreciated. So What about Tornado and Deadeye +1 chain? Can anybody out there tell me about the current state? I hear everywhere that its counterproductive due to tornado shot's pierce. Am confused :S Thanks in advance. Sorry for bad english " Pierce The projectile passes through the enemy and continues along its previous trajectory. Piercing may have less than a 100% chance. Pierce chance is rolled independently for every hit. If a projectile fails to pierce one of the other effects listed in this section may apply. " found this on wiki page so first pierce roll than fork roll than chain roll http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Projectile Last edited by Evil_D_Ark#4264 on Mar 8, 2016, 6:56:23 AM	Posted by Evil_D_Ark#4264 on Mar 8, 2016, 6:55:36 AM Quote this Post
" flyaway_kong wrote: " Frankenberry wrote: Yup. Powerful precision works like point blank, so the pierce bonus will never get below 50%. So either go for 50% extra pierce chance from passives or from gem :) But: " Vipermagi wrote: Powerful Precision does not have a minimum amount of Pierce chance, it'll drop straight to zero if the Projectile remains in flight long enough. Who is correct? "Projectiles have 100% additional chance to Pierce targets at the start of their movement, losing this chance as the projectile travels further" because of these two underlined words, I'm tempted to say it's Frankenberry, despite Vipermagi has very extensive knowledge of game mechanics. "Additional" means it's a separate stack from "increased" (afaik), and "this" refers to the bonus granted by Powerful Precision. I'll drop a PM to Vipermagi to have his idea on this. Ranger builds list: /917964 When two witches watch two watches, which witch watches which watch? If the witches watching watches watch the same watch while you watch which witch watches which watch, they switch watches; then, the watch switching witches watch which watch you watch. Watching witches watch watches is not for the faint of heart... Last edited by Panini_aux_olives#1967 on Mar 8, 2016, 6:59:54 AM	Posted by Panini_aux_olives#1967 on Mar 8, 2016, 6:59:43 AM Valued Poster Quote this Post
"Powerful precision works like point blank, so the pierce bonus will never get below 50%." ...what? Point Blank starts at +50% Damage and ends at -50% Damage, for a total drop of 100 points. Now you tell me how you came to the conlusion that this means Powerful Precision, which 'works like Point Blank', should only drop by 50 points total instead. I see no reason whatsoever to assume that Powerful Precision caps at 50% Pierce chance. If you have 50% Pierce elsewhere, from the Pierce gem for example, then your total Pierce won't drop below 50% - but PP's bonus will go from 100 to 0 still. Last edited by Vipermagi#0984 on Mar 8, 2016, 8:09:00 AM	Posted by Vipermagi#0984 on Mar 8, 2016, 8:05:39 AM Valued Poster Quote this Post
" Vipermagi wrote: ... the Pierce gem for example, then your total Pierce won't drop below 50% - but PP's bonus will go from 100 to 0 still. That's exactly what we wanted to know. Ranger builds list: /917964 When two witches watch two watches, which witch watches which watch? If the witches watching watches watch the same watch while you watch which witch watches which watch, they switch watches; then, the watch switching witches watch which watch you watch. Watching witches watch watches is not for the faint of heart...	Posted by Panini_aux_olives#1967 on Mar 8, 2016, 8:24:55 AM Valued Poster Quote this Post
" bbqmarshal wrote: As much as i like the build and guide, there is so much confusion goin on here. Some clarifications would be highly appreciated. So What about Tornado and Deadeye +1 chain? Can anybody out there tell me about the current state? I hear everywhere that its counterproductive due to tornado shot's pierce. Am confused :S Thanks in advance. Sorry for bad english I just picked up +1 chain on my TS Dead Eye. It is VERY powerful. Its not the original projectiles that chain. Its the projectiles from the arrow "explosions." There are better options if your going for Drillneck + Pierce, but I am VERY happy with +Chain thus far.	Posted by Seufari#5667 on Mar 8, 2016, 8:58:05 AM Quote this Post
Got the secondary Tornado Shot Projectile on my Helmet today, can someone tell me how strong thisone is?	Posted by Noctis_Tim#2752 on Mar 8, 2016, 9:04:21 AM Quote this Post
" Noctis_Tim wrote: Got the secondary Tornado Shot Projectile on my Helmet today, can someone tell me how strong thisone is? http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Tornado_Shot Subprojectiles: Upon reaching the targeted location, Tornado Shot's projectile explodes and fires three subprojectile arrows in random directions. No target can be hit by more than one subprojectile released in this manner. Yours now does more than 3 subprojectiles. Needless to say this is super strong. It is huge AoE boost. Last edited by Frankenberry#0590 on Mar 8, 2016, 10:07:42 AM	Posted by Frankenberry#0590 on Mar 8, 2016, 9:40:22 AM Quote this Post
" Vipermagi wrote: "Powerful precision works like point blank, so the pierce bonus will never get below 50%." ...what? Point Blank starts at +50% Damage and ends at -50% Damage, for a total drop of 100 points. Now you tell me how you came to the conlusion that this means Powerful Precision, which 'works like Point Blank', should only drop by 50 points total instead. I see no reason whatsoever to assume that Powerful Precision caps at 50% Pierce chance. If you have 50% Pierce elsewhere, from the Pierce gem for example, then your total Pierce won't drop below 50% - but PP's bonus will go from 100 to 0 still. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1595572 " Vipermagi wrote: Even if you have 0% Pierce from the tree, you will have 100% Pierce from Powerful Precision at point-blank range. PP's bonus diminishes with distance, so getting Pierce elsewhere makes the 100%-Pierce range bigger (and you'll never drop below that 50%). 1:1. Pierce caps at 100% chance, thus the Crit Chance also caps at 100%. I read your post again and now see what you mean. I misunderstood you :) Vipermagi is (as usual) right :) Last edited by Frankenberry#0590 on Mar 8, 2016, 9:52:13 AM	Posted by Frankenberry#0590 on Mar 8, 2016, 9:46:55 AM Quote this Post