[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

After 2.0 im getting 1 shot by almost any thing..
just died to museum boss at level 90 and died to level 8 vagan :\
there is something i can do?

Hi NeverSink, thx for guide. i followed your build. can u updated aggressive skilltree for drillnedck . Please

Hello,

What should i link with SA ?

Thanks ! and amazing build

so im a somewhat complete noob when it comes to following a guide.. can i substitute in gems that do almost the same thing until i find the skill/support gems that are mentioned in the guide? ie. Life Gain On Hit in for Life Leech?

also, the quest gem rewards were really off from this guide in my game.. i did as close as i could, but had to end up buying IS from Neesa.

Hi again,
i have question about that pretty item:

what can i put here to be usefull?

Iceshot is not a projectile anymore. It's an attack (as far as it says on the gem). Using LMP/GMP, does not benefit it.

Any reason why it's there, in the gem setup, section?

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Summoner wrote:

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Fritso wrote:

Stuff about building charges....

If you're using Frenzy+PCoC to generate both types of charges in a boss fight; wouldn't a defensive curse like temp chains or enfeeble to make the fight safer be a better choice vs bosses?

Since Enduring Cry no longer works with CWDT, I've switched that out for Temp Chains. Now running:
CWDT - Immortall Call - Temp Chains - Increased Duration

I have question about Shadows and dust.
"Creates a Smoke Cloud on Rampage.Gain Unholy Might for 3 seconds on Rampage" work on standard league?
Sorry for the bad english .

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_KaOtiC_ wrote:

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Summoner wrote:

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Fritso wrote:

Using Frenzy - PCoC (Power Charge on Crit) solves the issue, and allows you to build both frenzy and power charges on bosses.

That's the exact reason I use only 1 setup to build charges, and curse at the same time:
Frenzy - GMP - Chain - PCoC - CoH - Assassin's Mark

You need the extra 6L though....

If you're using Frenzy+PCoC to generate both types of charges in a boss fight; wouldn't a defensive curse like temp chains or enfeeble to make the fight safer be a better choice vs bosses?

That frenzy setup he is using is pointless in boss fight you are using very weak attack 3+ times to build charges. Instead you could just use frenzy pcoc and 4 dps adding links. Frenzy is stronger then ts against 1 target if you have it linked correctly, then you have a normal chain split arrow coh to use 1 time to a apply curse or manually curse. The amount of time spent building charges with weak frenzy you could of just killed the boss using proper frenzy without AM applied.

While I agree that your proposed setup may work best on bosses, there are a couple of thing I personally don't like about it:
1. Requires 2 different attacks, and thus 2 different skill gem setups to do something that can be done in 1 setup
2. I simply don't have room for a seperate Split arrow 4L setup only to curse.
3. Whilst it may work nice on bosses it's pretty terrible for doing regular mapping. I only need 1 attack to build all charges, whilst you need to use 2.
4. Frenzy isn't that much stronger against bosses, since TS often hits the boss 3 times, against the 1 frenzy hit. Check this vid for a test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPwYRFBLc7E
5. I find TS to be a much saver way to kill bosses, because it doesn't require pefrect aim all the time. Plus on bosses that have adds I don't want to use 2 attacks in order to kill everything.
6. And you're sacrificing an entire 6L setup for something that may be slightly better in 1 situation, but also has significant downsides during that situation as shown in above posts.
7. Whilst my Frenzy curse setup may be relatively weak to a full damage frenzy setup, it still deals 35k damage when I have all charges. That's enough to kill entire packs when mapping. Often when running MF gear I find I don't even want to use the curse setup, because it kills everything, and thus not giving me the IIQ/IIR in my TS setup.
8. I like to create my build to work in all situations. I hate to switch out gems, because in the time it takes to switch I could have already killed the boss. The only time I use Frenzy for single target is on Atziri because you know....reflect :-)
9. Building the charges with my setup takes like 1-2 seconds, because high attack speed. Plus, for a boss fight that lasts longer than 10 sec, I only have to use 1 attack to keep up the charges/curse, while you need to use 2.

Damn, I wanted to make 10 points. Guess you get the general idea :-)

However, I cannot stress this enough. This is my personal preference! Just do what you like the most, and you feels works best for you.

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SpecialGamer wrote:

Iceshot is not a projectile anymore. It's an attack (as far as it says on the gem). Using LMP/GMP, does not benefit it.

Any reason why it's there, in the gem setup, section?

The 'Projectile' naming doesn't show on any bow skill anymore, check TS/Split Arrow etc.
I think it has been replaced by 'Bow'. LMP/GMP still affects it.