Official thread about ideas & fixes for pvp

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hauntworld1 wrote:

Hi,

I wanted to make this thread since we do not really have one to post our ideas for pvp.

Grinding gear games are not the ones playing pvp, we are the ones playing it and only us can make GGG take the right decisions to balance everything out the way we all want. So i strongly encourage anyone reading this to post their point of view and ideas.

Please refrain from writing hatefull post and keep this thread entirely based on what you think should be balanced and what needs to be fixed for pvp.

Thank you.

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My point of view:

Spells: They are pretty balanced at the moment, the elemental damage boost from earlier patch gave them a good push for now. Although it is still hard to go trought 75% block with them when combined with a good build they deliver great damage. How i see it is physical spell probably deals sufficient damage but i've done both myself and elemental always does less no matter all the spells i tried. Potential fix to balance everything together would be to create a cluster of nodes including a new Keystone. How it would look is [10%SpellBlockPen]->[10%SpellBlockPen]->[10%ElementalDamage]->[20%SpellBlockPen]. Without this spells are bound to stack critical damage to counter block builds this making flat nodes useless and making spells very bad against block without penetration.

Physical damage: Physical damage is currently the go-to when it comes to pvp, it deals the most efficient unmitigable damage of any skills in path of exile. When it comes to pvp we have resistances to mitigate spells but physical was built in a different way. How it works at the moment is that armor is useless in pvp this making physical damage extremely strong without any mitigation way. We need to get a way to reduce the damage or a way to atleast reduce it with a mitigation.

Critical damage: I personally think it's too strong and it needs to have a X% reduction for pvp or either give crit damage reduction nodes like at the marauder tree.

Block and block penetration: I think block should be reduced at 65% instead of 75%, and that block penetration should only be for 2handed swords and adding it for spells as well. 2 handed Swords should get their penetration reduced when block is reduced this from 55%->40% They need to implement spell block penetration by like 40% and should be at the top of the tree because it's really hard for spells to go trough 75% with our current cast speed comparing it with how fast melee attacks.

2handers: They should get their block penetration reduced to 40% as block cap gets reduced to 65% this seems perfect balance since you remain with 25% chance to block their attacks.

Axes/Maces: I think they should be atleast given 25% Chance to crush enemies shield, this giving them atleast a way to fight against block.

1handers: I think 1 handed swords should have their block penetration reduced to 25%, they can stack block+dodge at the same time so why would you boost them up even more giving them the same amount of block penetration.

Spells: Spells should be given a node on top of the tree that gives 40% spell block penetration, it's not balanced at the moment and way too hard for spells to go trough 75%. Compare how fast melee attacks and compare how fast a caster casts, the level is way bigger with a multistrike user.

Acrobatics:I think acrobatics should change, it is meant for evasion builds who want to have an extra line of defense, it has a drawback for energy shield users which reduces their only defense which is their vital es pool. On the other part life builds are free to use acrobatics without any downside when it comes to pvp, let's be real armor is useless and it's not going to change anything. I think life builds should get a drawback from getting acrobatics, they should make it so it reduces STR by 50%. Why would ES get their only defense reduced where life doesn't have any drawback from getting it in pvp ?

Puncture: It needs to get it's damage reduced, if righteous fire got a nerf from doing too much degen damage, i dont see why puncture would be excluded because it's on the same level of OPness.

Remote mine: To me remote mine is too strong and effective, it should not be given a free % damage boost as it is suposed only down to tactical usage only, it gives a free damage boost this boosting anything linked to it and on top of that you can set up 5 mines.

Temporal chain trigger lvl 1: the smallest amount of damage will trigger it constantly and it slows down too much. We lack flasks a lot in pvp and it makes it way too efficient, i personally think we shouldnt be able to use lvl 1 temporal chain quality 20 with a lvl 1 trigger, they should make it so you can only use it with a higher level trigger gem this making it harder to get it triggered.

Curses in PVP: I think curses are way too efficient in pvp, we are so flasks dependant that anyone can just drain our flask in a match and make us take the full effect of a curse once we are out of flask and can easily abuse of that. It's very easy for anyone to just use 20/20 temporal chains which slows down so much that once you are out of flasks it's pretty much a death trap. On the other hand some curses are just too powerfull, even without crtitical weakness curse people can 1 shot players with a good crit, the curse just makes it worse in everyway. Curses should be way less efficient and easy to use in pvp, they shouldnt be so effective once we are out of immunity flasks.

Removing curses in pvp ?: I think trigger curses are destroying the main purpose of using curses, it makes them have no mana cost, instantly triggers it when you get attacked why is basicaly what you want in a fight. Why do we have a curse on hit gem if we are able to use trigger gem curses ? it destroys the whole point of the gem and makes the curse efficiency way too good in pvp. Atleast they should make it so it cannot be used with trigger gems when it comes to pvp. I think they should remove curses in pvp, it makes us so reliant on immunity flasks that it leads the way fights go on. The second you lack flask immunitys is like losing the match when it comes to high end pvp. Curses can be Deadly and especially the right ones, it pretty much makes you OP if your enemy is not using immunity. While temporal chain slows you down to shit, critical weakness gets you 1 shotted, triple curse elemental drops your res to minus and much more. They are way too efficient and they either need to be changed for pvp or removed.

Conversion trap: Why is this even enable in pvp ? Anyone can easily abuse of this at anytime, simply use multiple traps linked to it with increased duration and you can convert everyone non stop forever. How bullshit is that ? it's honestly a troll trap when it comes to pvp and should be removed.

Aegis max block tempest shield: To me the recent nerf to aegis did not change anything for pvp since anyone can just buy the legacy one. Like i said earlier reducing the block cap to 65% and giving spells block penetration by 40%, 2handers shield crushing chance and etc would help fixing the problem.

Explosive Arrow: the explosion cant be blocked and i think you should be able to block it like any other type of damage. You can stack too many arrows and on top of that it cant be blocked. It scales up really high by just stacking critical damage, nerfing crit damage and making it blockable would balance it out.

Passive damage reduction aura for PVP: To me the PVP is all about who 1 shots who at the moment, there is simply no balance between the two of them. I would personally love to have a fight where it doesnt just last two seconds and that is enjoyable. A passive aura that reduces all damage done by 15% in pvp would be an idea this making fights more down to tactical plays and less reliant on one shots, players would actually feel the competition and enjoy the fights lasting longer rather than dying instantly or killing instantly. The big part of why there's so many 1 shotters is because of critical damage, so in either way something needs to be adressed to make fights last longer.

Ming's heart ring and chaos resistance: I think GGG should make it so you have more chaos resistance when it comes to pvp, most people cannot gear to mitigate chaos damage as everyone need specific gear like block, dream fragments, rainbows, phoenix shield, rathpith globe and much more other specific pvp items. So has of now physical damage is so strong that anyone that use ming's heart will just completely stomp people with no chaos resist and low end gear. Combine 2x mings heart and it's just game for anyone that tries to compete with that, i personally think we should all have 0% chaos resist in pvp not -60%. In pve monsters are nowhere near the point of dealing the amount of physical damage players deal in pvp and when they wear double ming's heart the damage is just crazy and most of us are not able to gear up to counter everything. It's extremely hard in pvp to even get to 0% chaos resist without dropping off something else that is important.

Shield protection to cast auras before matches: I personally think this is a very good idea because we all need to cast our auras before matches start. A shield that lasts for 3-5 seconds so you can cast your auras would be great, it would be removed if you start moving or after 5 seconds. Casting auras should not remove the shield and it would continue to be on until you move or when the 3-5 seconds are passed. In tiny arenas it's quite annoying how someone can rush you and prevent you from casting any of your auras to get ready.

My eyes hurt playing sarn arena: I personally think the arena is way too bright and after a while my eyes start to hurt and i have to turn down the brightness to fix this, either change the luminosity of the map or change the theme.

Sarn arena has bugs: I often see myself getting disconnected, screen freezes and the entire instance gets disconnected and everyone is logged out. I also find myself getting lag spikes i do not know why, sometimes i cant even exit the arena without logging off because i cannot click on the exit door.

Party's in sarn arena: I would be really cool if we could party up to enter sarn arena, sometimes i want to team up with my guild mates and it would make team's vs team's possible in the arena. Right now whenever im trying to team up with someone if i miss a shot i can hurt him and it's really annoying.

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I encourage you guys to post your point of view and ideas just like i did here !

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Regards,

Hauntworld.

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Spells: There are already talent points on the tree to negate block, therefore technically nothing should be changed regarding it. Therefore forcing the player to go swords to be able to negate it, nothing comes for free really when it comes to countering a build. So therefore it's fair for in order to counter a build you must go a specific route in order to counter it. There does not need to be more ways in which to penetrate block if it already exists.

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So therefore it's fair for in order to counter a build you must go a specific route in order to counter it

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hauntworld1 wrote:

@ BringYourFriends

I think you're wrong in everyway when you think spells should not get any block penetration, it's weird how can you even think this is balanced ? Taking 10 times before landing a hit on your opponent seems fair and purely balanced ? Basicaly what you're saying is spells should deserve to get raped to shit without being able to do anything against max block/dodge users ? That we should not be able to do anything and deserve to lose against those builds. You do realize that block is very easy to stack for any build and way too effective, put yourself in the situation of a spell caster with mediocre gear that tries to pvp and face the community which 70% of it has max block on both sides, hes just gonna get raped without being able to even hit them. If spells had a chance to go trought shields i dont see how it would destroy the current pvp besides making spells more viable. There's a reason why no one specs into spells when it comes to pvp because it's way too hard, you either need to do super dps like us or you're doomed to be shitty because you never hit your opponents. It would also make caster fights more intensive this making it less of a rng block whore fight.

i would like to ask you what do you do against a build that uses 75% spell block and 30% dodge you accept the fact that you cant do shit ? You do realize that there's a reason why no one use other spells than freezepulse or ethereal knives and why we never see new caster faces into pvp. Without using these two spells you will never deal enough damage to kill a block user this making other spells completely shitty for pvp. Block is not only a counter to spells, it's a counter to everything in the game except Swords and you seem to think this is balanced and you're wrong in everyway. '' Spec into Swords if you want to counter block '' This shouldnt be the only option to counter block considering 70% of us uses max block.

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Grildrak wrote:

Bringyourfriends. Your char is a perma temp chain, arctic breath totem spaming aegis aurora tank not a caster.