We need more Atlas Trees, we have so many strats and the game gets stale fast!

Hey dear GGG team,
As described, we really need more trees for different Strategies!
You need two Mapfarming trees, one for T17s & one for 8-mod maps alone. Then a leveling tree with harby/beyond/shrines to sololvl our chars to 100, to not have to pay insane money for 5-ways.
Those should be baseline trees you have to have, i couldn't imagine playing SSF with only 3 trees!
Maybe add it to the Shop, i would pay for it, which i shouldn't, but i would do it, if that's the only way you wanna do it.
So after the baseline trees, now comes the actual Endgame trees for whatever you want to farm, Delve, Incursion for bases or whatever else you need to farm your crafting mats to metacraft, like Harvest and Bestiary in particular. Then of course the Omega juicer trees for rarity/quant farming. Those alone can take 5 trees at minimum.

Or just regular casual trees, doesn't matter, the point is clear:

Please, i beg you, let us have more Atlas Trees!

And if we are already here trying to ask for another tree, i would also love to see a second Skilltree, one for Mapping/Blasting & one for Bossing or rippy Content/Singeltarget related stuff.

That's it from me, hope you have an amazing Sunday and a good Week start tomorrow.

Love everything you do, keep up the good work, i much appreciate your Time and Effort!

Kind Regards Axzantos

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Axzantos#6012 wrote:

You need two Mapfarming trees, one for T17s & one for 8-mod maps alone. Then a leveling tree with harby/beyond/shrines to sololvl our chars to 100, to not have to pay insane money for 5-ways.

I don't want to undermine ur feedback, but this line I think explains why we don't "need" more trees.

No one needs a special mapfarming tree for T17 and one for T16 8mod or a dedicated lvl 100 tree. That stuff popped up after GGG added the 3 trees, before people had to make compromises.

If GGG ever puts out more trees, u will see feedback on why those trees are not enough and we need more because now that player "needs" three dedicated mapfarming trees, two separate lvl 100 leveling strategies, a gold farming tree and some dedicated trees to farm certain items with ect.

Also adding trees to the shop would be borderline P2W, even for me who doesn't think stash tabs are p2w.

Meta gaming the trees is the actual issue and that won't be fixed with more trees to meta game. I don't know if GGG or any company can ever change the meta fixation of alot of players, but at least we can try to acknowledge the problem.

(same applies to skill trees)

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Sadaukar#2191 wrote:

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Axzantos#6012 wrote:

You need two Mapfarming trees, one for T17s & one for 8-mod maps alone. Then a leveling tree with harby/beyond/shrines to sololvl our chars to 100, to not have to pay insane money for 5-ways.

I don't want to undermine ur feedback, but this line I think explains why we don't "need" more trees.

No one needs a special mapfarming tree for T17 and one for T16 8mod or a dedicated lvl 100 tree. That stuff popped up after GGG added the 3 trees, before people had to make compromises.

If GGG ever puts out more trees, u will see feedback on why those trees are not enough and we need more because now that player "needs" three dedicated mapfarming trees, two separate lvl 100 leveling strategies, a gold farming tree and some dedicated trees to farm certain items with ect.

Also adding trees to the shop would be borderline P2W, even for me who doesn't think stash tabs are p2w.

Meta gaming the trees is the actual issue and that won't be fixed with more trees to meta game. I don't know if GGG or any company can ever change the meta fixation of alot of players, but at least we can try to acknowledge the problem.

(same applies to skill trees)

Yes you do!
You don't want corrupted 8-mod T17's, because you can't roll them anymore, which is just 70% of the time a complete brick when you drop one. I don't have to explain myself, everything i said is understandable. Just because you don't need it and think it's bad, does not mean it will be bad or whatever else you claimed here. It's maybe 10% of the Playerbase that disagrees with my post here.
So if you don't mind leaving a bad taste on my post here, thank you!
You are free to disagree with whatever you want, but don't put words in our mouths!
I see it every day that people mention that they want more Atlas trees, so they don't have to respec all the time. That was the initial complaint that got us 2 more! Every year there comes more content, and you have to increase the numbers, and we are at this point in time AGAIN!

Give em a finger and they take the hand... classic case of this. There's a reason you have the ability to respec your Atlas tree. They even made it easier than ever and allow you to respec with just Gold now. Seriously now...

If you don't wish for people to comment on your suggestion, send it in as an email. This is a public forum and you don't get to dictate who gets to share their perspective on what you suggest or not.

Again: it's easy already to respec your tree. You don't have to do it often either, and when you do, you hardly have to respec everything at once before reallocating your points. If you are, you are wasting resources and should overthink your approach

Unite and spread Love and Peace!

no need to reply if you "don't care" about another's opinion. That's the correct way to use the forum.

I actually wasn't a fan of them offering 3 trees in the first place...because of this.

Does more trees make it easier to customize: yes. Of course it does

But what are the downsides? Because no one ever seems to think of downsides when they make a suggestion.

What's even the point of having a branching atlas tree if you can just set up like 10 of them to do every possible thing all at once? This is D3/D4 design territory where there really "isn't" any actual choice going on, since you can instantly change every decision you made. Or counter every decision at the same time.



Ever wonder why we have respeccing "costs" at all? There is a foundational reason: even a limited currency cost (with a temporal cost) creates "weight" behind your decisions. Weight that actually psychologically CHANGES how you interact with aspects of this game. Remove this "weight" and you are left with a sandbox of nothing.

From a psychological perspective, I might even bet that you THINK you want more atlas passive trees, but if GGG were to give them to you....your total endgame playtime would go down the gutter. Because you'd get bored of each and every tree far faster. You won't feel compelled to "dedicate" any sort of time to the decisions you made on your limited trees, you'll be switching left and right and end up burning out of everything way faster.


This is essentially what happened with D3's lack of weighted choices in gear AND skills.....the desire or need to build new characters disappeared. The replayability of the game suffered incredible damage (as compared to D2), and the entire genre became a casual, easy, fiasco.

I get that some people think that feedback and suggestions are exclusively a "player to dev" pipeline. The fact is: it isn't, it's a "community to dev" pipeline. If OP doesn't want others opinions, he's fundamentally ignoring how the whole process works and the likelyhood that he will ever get what he wants is basically zero.

That's also why it gets ever funnier when people go "we don't care about your opinion in the subject". By all accounts, if your opinion is heavily criticized, stands to reason we don't care about your opinion in the subject either, making it even less unlikely that the devs will either.

Three trees is more than fine.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

no need to reply if you "don't care" about another's opinion. That's the correct way to use the forum.

I actually wasn't a fan of them offering 3 trees in the first place...because of this.

Does more trees make it easier to customize: yes. Of course it does

But what are the downsides? Because no one ever seems to think of downsides when they make a suggestion.

What's even the point of having a branching atlas tree if you can just set up like 10 of them to do every possible thing all at once? This is D3/D4 design territory where there really "isn't" any actual choice going on, since you can instantly change every decision you made. Or counter every decision at the same time.



Ever wonder why we have respeccing "costs" at all? There is a foundational reason: even a limited currency cost (with a temporal cost) creates "weight" behind your decisions. Weight that actually psychologically CHANGES how you interact with aspects of this game. Remove this "weight" and you are left with a sandbox of nothing.

From a psychological perspective, I might even bet that you THINK you want more atlas passive trees, but if GGG were to give them to you....your total endgame playtime would go down the gutter. Because you'd get bored of each and every tree far faster. You won't feel compelled to "dedicate" any sort of time to the decisions you made on your limited trees, you'll be switching left and right and end up burning out of everything way faster.


This is essentially what happened with D3's lack of weighted choices in gear AND skills.....the desire or need to build new characters disappeared. The replayability of the game suffered incredible damage (as compared to D2), and the entire genre became a casual, easy, fiasco.

Your opinion, not mine. I still play Diablo 3 because it's a good game, yes only for one week because it gets stale after that, but who are you to say it's a bad game? Oh, yeah, you didn't say it's bad, but between the lines you do say it, so don't even try to flip that word in my mouth around! Your subjective opinion, also not mine, objectively Diablo 3 is a good game, no matter how much you wanna throw shade at the Company you dislike. I don't like Blizzard either, at least not anymore, but my opinion won't change on their Games. And i don't even know why you mention other games and company's to argue your made up BS, that is your reality not mine or others. No game compares to PoE in the slightest - it's on a whole nother Planet! Yes it's inspired by Diablo 2, one of the greats, but that's it. I wouldn't even bother answering you, but because you reported me, had me look this up now.[Removed by Support]

All i wanted is to get more trees, and you're out here taking it outside the game and making it personal. Why would i not answer on my post i made, when you wanna tell me how the game should be? [Removed by Support]

I share my opinion and i'm free to do so, like you. I can't see, so maybe show me, how in the world could i write that better? I gave examples and finished with appreciation of their work. Like you create problems, when there are no problems. You legit force your opinion on me, i didn't ask for it and i won't appreciate it! You put words in my mouth that i did not say, meant, not even near of what you see here. That is your opinion on what you think i said or meant, BUT THAT IS YOU, not me or anybody, and far away from what you claim.

I was kinda finished but, ruthless mode is made for you, i don't even know what to tell you, you got a whole mode just made for the "Back in my days" guys. I'm a 90 child, i respect your opinion, but i don't need to agree with you and i'm free to disagree.


Now i'm out of here, go ahead and report me again, for voicing my opinion and disagreeing with yours.

I want to end on a positive note, so: I wish everybody Love, Health & Peace, please call and visit your beloved ones and say you love them and care for them.

Kind Regards Axzantos

^I am NOT playing D3 for a reason: we are on the PoE forums. So obviously....making design decisions on THIS game that are taken from the poor path that D3 developers chose is....not what I want. Editing your previous post to remove your initial direct attack on other's opinions doesn't erase it from those involved in this thread btw.

Not sure why you got so incredibly tilted from that post lol, just because I pointed out downsides to your idea. I wasn't even attacking YOU at all...I was pointing at the holes in your argument.

I was never making an objective assertion, it was fairly obvious that it was my subjective opinion. But at least I offered reasoning WHY I believe in my subjective opinion over your suggestion. That is called "debate". And man....you are HERE, on the PoE forums. In your own post you said you don't like Blizzard and don't play D3 beyond a week. There are REASONS for that man! This forum is RARELY going to have objective fact involved, especially when it comes to suggestions.

You have confirmation bias: because this is something you clearly feel strongly about, you have only remembered the threads where people ask for more trees post-3tree. I can pretty much guarantee you that it is NOT the majority who want more trees, let alone 90%. Because the majority was fine with ONE tree, when it happened to only be one tree. And you can kinda already see in this thread alone, even in a short time, that it isn't a majority.



Posting on a public forum invites disagreement. Don't take everything so incredibly personal. Focus on the things people disagree with you with, digest the WHY, and refute them if you can. There have been zero attacks on YOU in this thread, except when you said you don't want to listen to anyone else's opinion. That's not how a public forum will ever work. And replying and disagreeing with you is not "reporting you". Until this last post, you didn't do anything wrong other than reply to someone else's DIFFERENT opinion with "I don't care or want to hear your opinion". Which even you recognized and edited. Why not ACTUALLY be a bit kinder and more open minded instead of the odd platitude at the end of the post.