Shipment is a joke for casual players

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Shadeless01 wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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xxanderr wrote:

Excuse me, but what did you expect from a 5mil shipment? A mirror shard? Do the 50 mil shipments and hope for the best. Also, get yourself lvl 10 sailors - it's not that hard.

I think its not really fair to say that to anyone.

Actually getting your town to a point where you can fill it with level 10s let alone have the disposable gold to roll for t10s is already the mark of someone who is absurdly hardcore.

So at best you are preaching to a quire.

At worst you are talking down to someone who very clearly lacks the resources you do.

its like saying "just get a million dollars and you will be fine" to a person dying of starvation in Ethiopia.

absolutely agree, the amount of elitist response bullshit in many of the reactions is absolutely stupid..

The amount of gold or the luck you need to get a town full of 10's is a lot, and requires a lot of t17 grinding or very specific scarab grinding which for some people is a not achievable or for some people just not enjoyable.

I agree with your post, some of the responses are antisocial elitism and whatnot. Still you don't have to have a town with all lvl 10 dudes. Why not just settle for less and make your peace with it?^^ Can you not understand that there needs to be a reward for players that play t17 maps or invest more in their maps? Something others don't have?
I play a lot and i don't have lvl 10 mappers. I saw 2 the whole league...It's not meant to be happening and i am not gonna reroll 1 mio gold :) I just made my peace with it^^

€: The post under me is such a case, but the message is not wrong in it's core. How about try to spend as little time as possible in your HO, skip some stuff that you would otherwise do and try to squeeze in more maps in the same amount of time. Also use an automated item rarity flask while mapping, it makes a huge difference ;)

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Shadeless01 wrote:

absolutely agree, the amount of elitist response bullshit in many of the reactions is absolutely stupid..

The amount of gold or the luck you need to get a town full of 10's is a lot, and requires a lot of t17 grinding or very specific scarab grinding which for some people is a not achievable or for some people just not enjoyable.

No. Anyone who play the game can unlocks full city, except people who are HO decorations.

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Nomancs wrote:

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Shadeless01 wrote:

absolutely agree, the amount of elitist response bullshit in many of the reactions is absolutely stupid..

The amount of gold or the luck you need to get a town full of 10's is a lot, and requires a lot of t17 grinding or very specific scarab grinding which for some people is a not achievable or for some people just not enjoyable.

No. Anyone who play the game can unlocks full city, except people who are HO decorations.

The guy is talking about lvl 10 sailers, and that it is easy, i have a lvl 10 town and been running shipments all day long and had my farmers up 24/7 for 3 weeks straight, and i have seen 1 lvl 10 sailor 2 level 10 farmers and 1 lvl 10 mapper. The amount of gold you need to get full lvl 10 farm is exact the kind of elitism I talk about.

If you don't agree with it fine, but no need to talk people down for it, that's the elitism I talk about.

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Shadeless01 wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

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Shadeless01 wrote:

absolutely agree, the amount of elitist response bullshit in many of the reactions is absolutely stupid..

The amount of gold or the luck you need to get a town full of 10's is a lot, and requires a lot of t17 grinding or very specific scarab grinding which for some people is a not achievable or for some people just not enjoyable.

No. Anyone who play the game can unlocks full city, except people who are HO decorations.

The guy is talking about lvl 10 sailers, and that it is easy, i have a lvl 10 town and been running shipments all day long and had my farmers up 24/7 for 3 weeks straight, and i have seen 1 lvl 10 sailor 2 level 10 farmers and 1 lvl 10 mapper. The amount of gold you need to get full lvl 10 farm is exact the kind of elitism I talk about.

If you don't agree with it fine, but no need to talk people down for it, that's the elitism I talk about.

You can call it elitism, realism, whatever you want to. You would get couple of rerolls instead of writing this reply, but it is your choice. If you want it, you can get it. It is easy to get, please stop asking for game to cater top stuff to people who don't even care to put effort.

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Nomancs wrote:

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Shadeless01 wrote:

absolutely agree, the amount of elitist response bullshit in many of the reactions is absolutely stupid..

The amount of gold or the luck you need to get a town full of 10's is a lot, and requires a lot of t17 grinding or very specific scarab grinding which for some people is a not achievable or for some people just not enjoyable.

No. Anyone who play the game can unlocks full city, except people who are HO decorations.

not true..you need a power rune to unlock one of the benches..and lest be real, casual players or even regular playtime players will never see one of those unless they buy one.

I think right before bed the elites sit here and troll the normal/casual players with response haha! Original post 100% right. Theres another thread with the dude going on about just sending a 50 million dollar shipment and 10 divs and mirror shards on the ground, insane. (waits for reply by elitist player) - this is 100% the inflation league due to shipments, I've never seen so many items are such high prices in any other league ever absolutely bananas for the majority of players who aren't in that elite 8-10% (waits for another reply by another elitist)

Every thread I read on feedback that guy a few posts above "Nomancs" is in it, telling people they're bad players and they should be getting tons more gold, tons of items, tons of everything. Not sure why other people's feedback is so triggering to him that he needs to tell everyone they're bad at a game when most people have jobs, lives and families. Lol.

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Sydneydonza wrote:

I think right before bed the elites sit here and troll the normal/casual players with response haha! Original post 100% right. Theres another thread with the dude going on about just sending a 50 million dollar shipment and 10 divs and mirror shards on the ground, insane. (waits for reply by elitist player) - this is 100% the inflation league due to shipments, I've never seen so many items are such high prices in any other league ever absolutely bananas for the majority of players who aren't in that elite 8-10% (waits for another reply by another elitist)

Every thread I read on feedback that guy a few posts above "Nomancs" is in it, telling people they're bad players and they should be getting tons more gold, tons of items, tons of everything. Not sure why other people's feedback is so triggering to him that he needs to tell everyone they're bad at a game when most people have jobs, lives and families. Lol.

the entire purpose of the feedback forums is for players to give feedback.

sometimes the complainer is at fault for their own problems.

but sometimes the feedback is legit coming from their circumstance. for example from a newer player perspective or a casual.

the elites here on the forums tend to want the game to be hard forever. a good example is trade being god awful. they would justify trade being good "as is" despite all the benefits we get from automated trade. they would even victim blame scam victims for not checking properly.

its really sad for me to see such a great divide between players. theres really zero empathy from these "good players".

i ll agree to what some of them say, "you play bad, you get bad results", "learn to play properly" etc. which actually has a lot of truth in it. but on the flipside they are so detached from the casual players experience their comments tend to downplay an issue that people bring up and sometimes downright be condescending.

as asmongold would say, some people prefer if things are hard. if the game is made easier, it diminishes their achievements.

if any rando can kill uber pinnacles, no one would need carry services. if any rando can hit 100, getting to 100 no longer is an achievement but part of the process.

it is how it is.

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

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Shadeless01 wrote:

absolutely agree, the amount of elitist response bullshit in many of the reactions is absolutely stupid..

The amount of gold or the luck you need to get a town full of 10's is a lot, and requires a lot of t17 grinding or very specific scarab grinding which for some people is a not achievable or for some people just not enjoyable.

No. Anyone who play the game can unlocks full city, except people who are HO decorations.

not true..you need a power rune to unlock one of the benches..and lest be real, casual players or even regular playtime players will never see one of those unless they buy one.

You don't need a power rune for a lvl 10 tavern which is what you need to get lvl 10 sailors.

Runecrafting has nothing to do with shipments.

Gold is very easy to farm. 20k per map which is what you get on average WITHOUT specifically farming for gold is more than enough to sustain your town AND buy rerolls (I got all my lvl X sailors from normal rerolls not the expensive ones although many argue the expensive ones are overall better idk). If you maximize your gold farm you get even more. For example (just one off the top of my head) - farm synth maps. They're easy, cheap, you can self farm them if you don't have enough currency to buy them, and they give generous amounts of gold. You can even make some profit from the random mods or running the Maven invites. There are TENS of such examples - all you need to do is put in some effort and look it up.

Point is, if you're a player who only plays 1hr a day, has 0 knowledge about the game and can't be bothered to read the UI, you shouldn't expect to progress much. There's nothing elitist about saying that POE does not (and should not) cater to this kind of player.

I don't play 24/7, I don't play efficiently (never grind unless it's fun) and I do just fine. I've made money from every single league mechanic with every kind of investment from 1 alch to 5 div per map. There are people who get magebloods in 2 days - that's 48 hours of game time max. So it's got nothing to do with having a job or family (which most POE players do have) - it's about the effort you're willing to put into those few hours of playtime.

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exsea wrote:

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Sydneydonza wrote:

I think right before bed the elites sit here and troll the normal/casual players with response haha! Original post 100% right. Theres another thread with the dude going on about just sending a 50 million dollar shipment and 10 divs and mirror shards on the ground, insane. (waits for reply by elitist player) - this is 100% the inflation league due to shipments, I've never seen so many items are such high prices in any other league ever absolutely bananas for the majority of players who aren't in that elite 8-10% (waits for another reply by another elitist)

Every thread I read on feedback that guy a few posts above "Nomancs" is in it, telling people they're bad players and they should be getting tons more gold, tons of items, tons of everything. Not sure why other people's feedback is so triggering to him that he needs to tell everyone they're bad at a game when most people have jobs, lives and families. Lol.

the entire purpose of the feedback forums is for players to give feedback.

sometimes the complainer is at fault for their own problems.

but sometimes the feedback is legit coming from their circumstance. for example from a newer player perspective or a casual.

the elites here on the forums tend to want the game to be hard forever. a good example is trade being god awful. they would justify trade being good "as is" despite all the benefits we get from automated trade. they would even victim blame scam victims for not checking properly.

its really sad for me to see such a great divide between players. theres really zero empathy from these "good players".

i ll agree to what some of them say, "you play bad, you get bad results", "learn to play properly" etc. which actually has a lot of truth in it. but on the flipside they are so detached from the casual players experience their comments tend to downplay an issue that people bring up and sometimes downright be condescending.

as asmongold would say, some people prefer if things are hard. if the game is made easier, it diminishes their achievements.

if any rando can kill uber pinnacles, no one would need carry services. if any rando can hit 100, getting to 100 no longer is an achievement but part of the process.

it is how it is.

The way you approach things is everything. I have spent literal hours, tens of hours helping new players - in game, on reddit, on the forum.

Thing is, I'll help someone who asks a question or says they don't understand why X method is unrewarding, what to farm, how to improve their build, how to craft, etc. Why would I bother to try and help someone who comes in saying "I won't be bothered to read a single thing in this game but the league sucks because I'm not getting anything from it". This kind of player isn't interested in learning, they're only interested in complaining.

I have VERY rarely, if ever, seen anyone make fun of, talk down on, or refuse to help a player asking a question or genuinely trying to understand a convoluted mechanic in the game.

IMO, posts like this deserve exactly the response they've been getting. If the OP had bothered to READ THE UI (the in game UI, yeah, we're not talking 3rd party resources, not even the wiki) this post would be unnecessary. But not only did they NOT read it, they had to come to the forums and actually inform everyone that they can't be bothered to read a thing in this game but the game is bad cause it punished them for not reading the UI.

Exsea - this isn't about the game being hard, it's about the time it takes to farm the gold to upgrade the town, get the crops/metals to get big shipments - to farm the gold as felix above mentioned 20k per map, I just ran 10 T16s with no scrabs and you get on average 4-7k per map. If I add scrabs I can boost that a lot, sure but a LOTTTTTT of players won't ever reach T16, heck some wont even be doing T12. I read a post from a guy leaving after years who never went past T7.

It's an impossible balance I guess, can't make it easier to get things or some people would hate it, it can ruin games but can't leave it impossible for a big majority to never get a taste of some features. Some people have the time and others don't *shrug*

Anyways thats enough forums for the month, seeya lol