[3.10] Herald of Agony Mana Guardian | 2.5 Minute Sirus 8 | Deathless T19 100% Delirium

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falaakr wrote:
Unwavering crusade gives 30% increased damage, not 30% more damage. Since HoA naturally has a ton of increased damage (640% at 40 virulence stack at lvl 31), the 30% increased damage from crusade is not bigvery helpful. And time of need is indeed quite nice against bosses.

It's 40% + 15% as, and last time I checked %increased damage didn't have diminishing returns.


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falaakr wrote:
Why don't you run vaal molten shell+soul ripper? I find it very useful in deep delves, it's literraly 30k additional ES at the cost of a flask slot.

Because he has to give up the increased duration in order to fit f&s and you can't reliably keep up soulripper vaal molten shell without that.
He's wasted 3 talent points in order to fit that aura which means nothing, because deaths in those depths happen from bad positioning and/or not killing/focusing targets fast enough and half the time mobs that kill him are not even out f&s range.

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falaakr wrote:
Also you talk about reduced curse effectiveness, i don't think monster gets that in delve (excepted when they get that 60% curse effectiveness mod). Awakened curse on hit + projectile weakness is a good dps boost too.

You get less curse effectiveness scaling past 1.5k depth - complete non issue as far as this build is concerned, because to push deeper you'd need to switch to a no life build anyway.
Awakened curse on hit proj weakness is indeed very nice, especially if you give up pierce for more damage.
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hipposaver wrote:
so I finally was able to get skitterbots, hatred, discipline, aspect of the spider, clarity and HoA active at lv31, all i have left is to get a +1 skin, any ideas the best way to do this? theyre selling for like 100ex on the market


Are you having trouble keeping your Virulence stacks at 40? No faster casting gem and faster projectile speed seems like it would be difficult.

Props on getting all those auras up tho. I imagine your ES is near or above 20k?
Last edited by Jinru919#0824 on Feb 5, 2020, 6:04:42 PM
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Jinru919 wrote:
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hipposaver wrote:
so I finally was able to get skitterbots, hatred, discipline, aspect of the spider, clarity and HoA active at lv31, all i have left is to get a +1 skin, any ideas the best way to do this? theyre selling for like 100ex on the market


Are you having trouble keeping your Virulence stacks at 40? No faster casting gem and faster projectile speed seems like it would be difficult.

Props on getting all those auras up tho. I imagine your ES is near or above 20k?



i kinda did my own thing, only 14k es even with discipline. im wondering if its even worth, i could potentially get back 3 skill points and push 17k es without it, replacing with flesh and stone... plus i can min/max some more jewels

i have no problem with virulence tbh
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Last edited by mcloren91#6196 on Feb 5, 2020, 6:52:39 PM
Really getting into this build...definitely "threading the needle" type build, but I enjoy the challenge. Have several questions for those that have experience with the build:
1) If I can fit any one of these, which would be best: Skitters, Discipline, F&S...two seem defensive, one offensive?
2) My HoA is at 25, how much more do I really need? (more dps is always welcome, but is it needed because it gets very expensive to start up-ing it) And, is lvl 31 the next break point and what gets that, +2 wand and +2 chest, and +1 amulet and lvl 21 HoA, and...?
3) If you do Lethal Pride and Rumi's, do you still need Bastion of Hope? No need in overcapping block, correct?
4) do we really need a 4th Spectre or is that just QoL? 3 with a golem works and the spectres don't really add much/any damage
Thanks in Advance

I have been delving and can't find a Primeval area to get the Spectres, any help? Think all I have to do is visit your hideout while you are there to Desecrate and pick up some Specs
Last edited by Reactor52#7022 on Feb 5, 2020, 6:55:12 PM
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arandan wrote:
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falaakr wrote:
Unwavering crusade gives 30% increased damage, not 30% more damage. Since HoA naturally has a ton of increased damage (640% at 40 virulence stack at lvl 31), the 30% increased damage from crusade is not bigvery helpful. And time of need is indeed quite nice against bosses.

It's 40% + 15% as, and last time I checked %increased damage didn't have diminishing returns.


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falaakr wrote:
Why don't you run vaal molten shell+soul ripper? I find it very useful in deep delves, it's literraly 30k additional ES at the cost of a flask slot.

Because he has to give up the increased duration in order to fit f&s and you can't reliably keep up soulripper vaal molten shell without that.
He's wasted 3 talent points in order to fit that aura which means nothing, because deaths in those depths happen from bad positioning and/or not killing/focusing targets fast enough and half the time mobs that kill him are not even out f&s range.

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falaakr wrote:
Also you talk about reduced curse effectiveness, i don't think monster gets that in delve (excepted when they get that 60% curse effectiveness mod). Awakened curse on hit + projectile weakness is a good dps boost too.

You get less curse effectiveness scaling past 1.5k depth - complete non issue as far as this build is concerned, because to push deeper you'd need to switch to a no life build anyway.
Awakened curse on hit proj weakness is indeed very nice, especially if you give up pierce for more damage.


well i will now say that isnt true either. after playing with PoB i only lost about 400k dps. i went form 3.8m to 3.5mil (those are rough numbers the lost is between 300-400k dps) I am reffing to you top comment in the quoted area
I'm learning a lot of new things about poe in this thread. What precisely isn't true in that top quote, are you claiming that there are diminishing returns on %increased damage?
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Reactor52 wrote:
Really getting into this build...definitely "threading the needle" type build, but I enjoy the challenge. Have several questions for those that have experience with the build:
1) If I can fit any one of these, which would be best: Skitters, Discipline, F&S...two seem defensive, one offensive?
2) My HoA is at 25, how much more do I really need? (more dps is always welcome, but is it needed because it gets very expensive to start up-ing it) And, is lvl 31 the next break point and what gets that, +2 wand and +2 chest, and +1 amulet and lvl 21 HoA, and...?
3) If you do Lethal Pride and Rumi's, do you still need Bastion of Hope? No need in overcapping block, correct?
4) do we really need a 4th Spectre or is that just QoL? 3 with a golem works and the spectres don't really add much/any damage
Thanks in Advance

I have been delving and can't find a Primeval area to get the Spectres, any help? Think all I have to do is visit your hideout while you are there to Desecrate and pick up some Specs



1 i would running skitter bots. it gives 18% damage increase. after that i would go with f/s cause it is easier to fit

2 you dont techinally need a +2chest u could get away with a +2 amulet instead (might be cheaper idk i crafted mine and got stupid lucky.)

3. i dont know the answer just didnt want to seam like i skip that question.

4. well sorta. do u need 4 spectres no cause of golem BUT BUT BUT u ahve to waste a gem slot to get the golem where if you have a lvl 25 spectre gem u would save a spot. along with the golem tended to die alot for me and the spectres dont.
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arandan wrote:
I'm learning a lot of new things about poe in this thread. What precisely isn't true in that top quote, are you claiming that there are diminishing returns on %increased damage?



no im not claiming DR. i literally use my shaper/elder dps set up and that is what i got.

here are the 2 pobs to make this simple.

with UNWAVERING
https://pastebin.com/Dh8TWtHw

without UNWAVERING

https://pastebin.com/JGq31rZg



form what i know of the game so far. the 30% is being ADDED to the other increase damage.

for example: 100% increased damage + 30% increased damage = 130%
so if you have 100 damage it would be 100 damage * 130% = 230 damage

NOT 100 damage *100% = 200 *30% =260damage

i hope that makes sense this is the first time i am trying to explain PoE damaage things like that. im pretty sure the way i laid that out is correct if not someone other then arandan correct me (not calling you out i just would like someone outside of the convo between us to verify if i am correct or not)
Last edited by mcloren91#6196 on Feb 5, 2020, 7:10:37 PM
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mcloren91 wrote:
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arandan wrote:
I'm learning a lot of new things about poe in this thread. What precisely isn't true in that top quote, are you claiming that there are diminishing returns on %increased damage?



no im not claiming DR. i literally use my shaper/elder dps set up and that is what i got.

here are the 2 pobs to make this simple.

with UNWAVERING
https://pastebin.com/Dh8TWtHw

without UNWAVERING

https://pastebin.com/JGq31rZg


Harmony of purpose doesn't grant charges to your minions, those POBs are a complete mess.
You lose 10% of your damage when you spec out of unwavering + corresponding small node.

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